GoJet about to get whipsawed by Pinnacle
 

Is GoJets air service agreement up soon? I've been hearing Pinnacle will be going after those CRJ 700's. this will be funny. An airline is created, when there is no demand for it, to under cut and then they get under cut themselves.

Pinnacle ain't doing squat.

You mean Delta...

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Couldn't happen to a more deserving group of guys.

Hate to tell you this, but even with the new contract Pinnacle's pilot costs are still higher than Gojet.

It is true that Pinnacle has bid on an RFP for CRJ 700s, beyond that its pure speculation and rumors.

How does that make sense? By definition, a request for proposal is put out by the mainline that needs its regional service covered. Delta "owns" 9E now. So how can 9E put a bid in? And if it can, wouldn't Delta know right away if 9E will get the flying or not?

And as Flying Kat pointed out, costs of the 9E employee groups are higher than the G7 group.

Cost are always the number 1 priority. However, "control" is like .4567 in priority. Delta likes control.

It doesn't make sense, I agree.

Not arguing that point, just that 9E is cheaper than Gojet. The reality is the pointy headed accountants and their magical spreadsheets in the crystal palace in ATL control all this, and will make their decision based on what makes Mother Delta the most money.....:cool:

We were told in Recurrent that we were bidding on 32 700's. Still a seperate company but name change coming.

LOL!! Great news! maybe uncle hulie is setting himself up for retirement!!

Gojet only has 20 ish 700s flying for delta so either the Rumor is false or planes will come from more airlines than stopprop

Maybe there is something in the future that makes pinnacle cheaper in the long run. Pinnacle pilots just signed a 7 tear contract. Are GoJet rates locked in for 7 years? What about the flight attendants, mechanics, corporate employees? Are they locked into a bad long term contracts like 9e union groups? No.

If this is all true, I feel bad for the Comair and Pinnacle guys who had to take the job as a last resort. They don't deserve to have to go through it all again. And, it's doubtful the stuff will run uphill far enough to reach the guys who made GJ possible.

It is true... All of GoJets Delta flying is up for bid... I agree its a real kick in the seat for the Comair people over there. It remains to be seen if Pinnacle will get them, but chances are they will.
It's starting to look like this has been part of a plan set forth by Delta if certain things worked out...
Personally I don't think this has anything to do with GoJets performance, I don't think Delta ever had any plans of keeping GoJet as a long term partner.

Probably the same way DGS (Delta owned) underbid Regional Elite (Delta owned) for ground service RFPs.

Pilot cost are more but apparently overall cost is less.

No, but GoJets pilots are under a union CBA. Even if their contract is amendable this year, nothing prevents them from being in negotiations for the next 5 years while continuing to serve under the same amdendable contract. Sound familiar?

Stability and control.

Yikes, if this is true, and 9E gets the new CR7 flying, then 9E would have undercut GoJets. Never thought that would be possible, but I guess it is when people vote yes to paycuts. More importantly, who is going to bid the 7? It just doesn't sound as good as the 9.

Most carriers that have both 700s and 900s fly them as one category.

I'd refuse to the fly -7. If they ask, I'd tell them because it wasn't a -9.

In seriousness, hasn't dual qual always been a thorn in 9E's side. I remember the back-n-forths about it during my time.

Don't worry eagle is going to win the award.

Yeah but which Eagle? L-Eagle? Soon to be other "owned" eagle (PSA/Peidmont)? Branded Eagle (Skywest, RAH, XJT)?

Ha ha the 7... The way it was explained to me was it wasn't a case of undercutting GoJet because they couldn't bid for it... But I'm sure Pinnacle undercut someone... I mean this is such great news, it almost makes me not care that I missed a mortgage payment last month :rolleyes:

And the race to the bottom continues

I thought PCL was going to get shut down?

haha this is classic. Everyone pilot in the whole industry (for the most part and unless you work there) would LOVE to see G7 take it in the shorts, hopefully now the down grades flow like wine and the 7's go to 'respectable' regionals...

Who knows who's gonna get the planes, but right now word on the street is it will not be GoJet keeping them.

I'm just passing what I've heard... Honestly I could care less if GoJet keeps them or someone else gets them.

They are the same type rating!

So is the -200 but most carriers fly the -200 separate from the -700/-900.

The 700 and 900 are almost identical. There should be NO reason to refuse to dual qual on them. Some times I forget which I'm on if I dont think about it..

Prior to DL purchase...yes. Now, no way. Pinnacle has a bright future from my perspective. Pinnacle is now cheap.

Pinnacle had one of the most senior pilot groups out there, equating to some of the highest operating costs with the old contract. Now costs are under control with the current contract in place.

Other regional airlines with senior pilot groups will suffer the same fate from there main line partners as Pinnacle has.

Other mismanaged unprofitable companies, yes...

Yeah I don't think it's fair to blame pilot seniority for all of PNCL's problems. The company was a mismanaged mess. And while there may be some small solace in gjet losing airplanes, constantly lowering the bar isn't anything to get excited about either.

As I understand it, gojets was created to get around the AMR scope clauses at the time. TSA could not have larger airplanes over 50 seats and keep the AMR flying.

CHQ tried it and paid hefty penalties. The whipsawing was just an added side benefit.

So, you guys can stop blaming your fellow regional pilots, and start blaming the APA... After all, it was just us limiting the size of your guppy killers that caused it. So blame us and move on, enough already.

Is that a thing??

ShyGuy, remember Comair? In 2003, 2006, 2007, 2009, 2010, and 2011, Delta put out RFPs for Comair flying (or should I say Delta flying that was being performed by Comair).

Each time, Comair submitted bids (as directed by Delta) to retain the flying.

Each time, Delta (supposedly) considered those bids.

Each time, Delta said "Allllllllmost, but not quite... You're too expensive"

Each time, Delta awarded RFPs to other regionals.

I know it's all f'd up, but that's how Delta does business. From 2004 until the end, Comair pilots voted in three concessionary contracts to stop the bleeding. Each time, Delta promised us (or the judge) that it would be enough to stop the bleeding. Each time, Delta would have a change of heart after the contract was signed and planes still left the property.

It didn't make sense and it wasn't logical. Most of us hung around till the end hoping common sense would kick in. Don't rely on logic trying to figure out DCI musical chairs when Delta is running the game.

Especially if Don "I grew up at the end of RWY 36R and love Comair'' Bornwh0rest is running the DCI freak show.

Airlines with CRJ common category:
Mesa (only 4 200s in HI)
Pinnacle
PSA
SkyWest

Airlines not operating both variants:
American Eagle
GoJet
Air Wisconsin

Airlines with separate 200 and 700/900 categories:
ExpressJet (L-ASA)


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but who is left besides ExpressJet (L-ASA) that is actually operating CRJ-200 as a separate category?