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SonicFlyer 02-23-2022 07:32 AM

Facial hair in the US became unpopular in politics as soon as women were allowed to vote. Seriously, look at pictures of the Presidents on a time line. Also, look at old sea captains.

TransWorld 02-23-2022 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3377520)
There is a dominant demographic which spends money on air travel, particularly premium travel. It's very roughly 45+ and moderately conservative. Airlines cater to that demographic in many ways.

If you pay attention you'll note that airlines, or at least some of them, will do marketing outreach to younger generations. But they will not disregard or offend the real money group in the process.

That will of course change over the next several decades.

I have observed the younger generations seem to evolve into the very roughly 45+ and moderately conservative demographic that spends money on premium travel. Remember the “never trust anyone over 30” demographic that said, “My God, I have become my parent.” This has happened for hundreds of years.

JamesNoBrakes 02-23-2022 07:49 AM


Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 3377513)
Because core components of the profession are leadership (management) & attention to detail. Advising a crewmember THIER chin curtain has to go isn't worth the billable hours of a grievance hearing or court filing. So why not personal expression ink or staples then? Johnny Weir bouffant perhaps? Keep pushing boundaries, be creative. Look & act like drone operators, FARs don't address that either though parallels are getting bigger in the window all the time. Somebody pls tell me the split tongue isn't what I think it's for.

And if there weren't so many obese pilots, this might mean something...The attention to detail and appearance argument is laughable, more so at the legacy/LLC level.

rickair7777 02-23-2022 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 3377591)
And if there weren't so many obese pilots, this might mean something...The attention to detail and appearance argument is laughable, more so at the legacy/LLC level.

Fatties are protected by law... try to discipline/fire someone for being overweight in this century and see what happens. Long as the FAA gives them a medical, they're good.

JohnBurke 02-23-2022 09:34 AM


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3377524)
No, it's a reference to a joke that apparently went over your head. Search youtube for "Soup nazi" on Seinfeld.

I'm quite aware of the Seinfeld character, who denied soup in his own restaurant based on perceived misbehaviors of those waiting in line for his product. His words were a castigation and punishment, denying the immensely popular soup.

That has absolutely nothing to do with beards, nor is it in any way a humorous reference, nor is it analogous. Nothing I have said is punitive. I do not produce beards. I do not sell beards. I do not have a business selling, producing, or serving beards. I have neither offered nor suggested punishment for having, desiring, wearing, possessing, or otherwise being associated with a beard. Beard wearing is neither popular among the pilot body, common place, nor is it soup. "Beard nazi" is a ridiculous non-sequitur foolish comparison to the Seinfeld character. That you think it might be in some unhinged way speaks to where your head might be.


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3377524)
No, I referred to you as a beard nazi not because we disagree but because you go off on people who simply point out that some airlines allow pilots to have facial hair and maybe other airlines should too.

Not at all. You have a comprehension problem, as we see again and again. You come across as a twenty-something who spends far too much time looking in the mirror and playing on social media.

Wear that beard if you feel the burning urge. Knock yourself out. If the big-boy pants aren't working for you and it takes looking like jack sparrow to look grown up, then have at it. Some day, the crayons do get put away, though, in favor of being an adult.


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3377524)
So you allowed someone to violate appearance standards, then you ratted him out? A true leader would have pulled the guy aside and checked on his condition. He might have had mental health issues, or been robbed of his uniform items, or overslept and needed some counseling.

But your decision to let it slide and then stab him in the back tells a lot about your character, or lack thereof.

I said nothing of the kind. Every word you've just posted demonstrates either of two things: either you're a bald-faced liar, and you have a reading comprehension problem. Which is it?

I "ratted" nobody out. In fact, had you made an effort to actually read what I wrote, I said that I didn't say a word. As it turns out, I know who he is. This was not a one-off appearance: he dresses like that. I am not the uniform police. He is loud, profane and talks about sexual conquests in front of passengers. He wasn't having a mental breakdown, though he does have an alcohol problem when not on duty. He knows it. Others around him know it.

I did not "stab him in the back." Why would you imagine, or lie about such a thing? You attack my character for treacherous behavior based on your own vain imagining: you do so based on your own outright lie. I stated plainly that I saw him and said nothing more.

I also stated that someone with seniority also saw him, took his picture, and reported him. That someone was not me. Your insinuation otherwise is a lie on your part, again.

It's clear what you are here. Very clear.


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3377524)

Never said any of that.

You've said more than enough. What you are is obvious, and there's much you don't have to say, and even more you'd be better off not saying. You're one of whom it is far better to keep silent and appear the fool, rather than post and remove all doubt.

The "ignore" list is for those unworthy of further discourse. You're added to it.


Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna (Post 3377524)

This message is hidden because Profane Kahuna is on your ignore list.


Excargodog 02-23-2022 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3377666)

I said nothing of the kind. Every word you've just posted demonstrates either of two things: either you're a bald-faced liar, and you have a reading comprehension problem. Which is it?
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Well, if a bald-faced liar, it would apparently not be by choice certainly…. :D

METO Guido 02-23-2022 11:01 AM


Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes (Post 3377591)
And if there weren't so many obese pilots, this might mean something...The attention to detail and appearance argument is laughable, more so at the legacy/LLC level.

Devil's in the details, nowhere more so than moving metal. Have too many airline pilots thrown in the towel on obesity? I suppose. Same on both sides of the door. Who's laughing? Comparisons, on scale average, to our superpower rivals unflattering likely. Look, if every beard in epaulettes was Sean Connery's Hunt for Red October, fine. We both know that's not what happens.

Profane Kahuna 02-23-2022 01:55 PM


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3377666)
I'm quite aware of the Seinfeld character, who denied soup in his own restaurant based on perceived misbehaviors of those waiting in line for his product. His words were a castigation and punishment, denying the immensely popular soup.

That has absolutely nothing to do with beards, nor is it in any way a humorous reference, nor is it analogous. Nothing I have said is punitive. I do not produce beards. I do not sell beards. I do not have a business selling, producing, or serving beards. I have neither offered nor suggested punishment for having, desiring, wearing, possessing, or otherwise being associated with a beard. Beard wearing is neither popular among the pilot body, common place, nor is it soup. "Beard nazi" is a ridiculous non-sequitur foolish comparison to the Seinfeld character.

I just wanted to quote this because it is amazing how you turned something funny like Seinfeld into a painful, twisted rant.

Were you maybe trying to do the Seinfeld Steinbrenner character or something?

I called you a beard nazi simply because anytime someone on this forum says "the choice of having a beard would be nice" you come out of the woodwork with ridiculous exaggerations about the downfall of society if beards are allowed.


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3377666)
That you think it might be in some unhinged way speaks to where your head might be.

For someone who criticises other's grammar you sure do write funny.


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3377666)
Not at all. You have a comprehension problem, as we see again and again. You come across as a twenty-something who spends far too much time looking in the mirror and playing on social media.

Two things....you're assumptions are laughably off, and you probably spend more time looking in the mirror than I do since you shave.


Originally Posted by JohnBurke (Post 3377666)
Wear that beard if you feel the burning urge. Knock yourself out. If the big-boy pants aren't working for you and it takes looking like jack sparrow to look grown up, then have at it. Some day, the crayons do get put away, though, in favor of being an adult.

I do have a beard, thank you. It doesn't make me feel old or young for that matter. Just a personal choice. Crayons though...those are yummy, pass some over if you got 'em.

2StgTurbine 02-23-2022 04:26 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3377520)
There is a dominant demographic which spends money on air travel, particularly premium travel. It's very roughly 45+ and moderately conservative.

At least at Delta, I'd have to disagree. 60% of our passengers are under 45 and we are marketing to younger left-of-center demographics. With each passing year the age group that equates beards with unprofessionalism is drastically shrinking.

rickair7777 02-23-2022 04:47 PM


Originally Posted by 2StgTurbine (Post 3377958)
At least at Delta, I'd have to disagree. 60% of our passengers are under 45 and we are marketing to younger left-of-center demographics. With each passing year the age group that equates beards with unprofessionalism is drastically shrinking.

Then why the flag officer dress uniforms? You guys should be wearing flannel pajama bottoms and smoking jackets :confused:

But actually it's about revenue, not pax %... I bet if you bother to inquire about the stats you'll find that 60% of your profit comes from 15% of your pax, or something close to that. That's normal for legacies.


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