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Old 04-29-2007 | 10:37 AM
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Antisocial personality disorder (APD) is a personality disorder which is often characterised by antisocial and impulsive behaviour. APD is generally considered to be the same as, or similar to, the disorder that was previously known as psychopathic or sociopathic personality disorder. Approximately 3% of men and 1% of women have some form of antisocial personality disorder (source: DSM-IV).


sociopath (soh-see-uh-path, soh-shee-uh-path)

Someone whose social behavior is extremely abnormal. Sociopaths are interested only in their personal needs and desires, without concern for the effects of their behavior on others

It has always seemed to me that certain career paths draw a high percentage of people who fit the description above. Attorneys, police officers, military and of course aviation seem to me have a very high number of people who display sociopathic behaviors. Most would find it difficult to sue others for personal profit however we all know that there are Attorneys who make a good living doing exactly that. We all mostly hear the term in reference to evil deeds however most Sociopaths are able to function normally within the limits of society.

It seems to me that Sociopaths do well as pilots since they live a self centered and personally disconnected life. Airline pilots usually fly with different people each month and move aimlessly across the country from base to base, job to job. Many of the most successful ones do not display any remorse or hardship for leaving friends and family behind. No connections to home, country or company. It must be an asset.

No empathy, no remorse no sense of loss.

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Old 04-29-2007 | 10:43 AM
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What does your doctor prescribe for your condition? Prozac, Zoloft? If so, you might want to talk to they about the continued depression you portray. Then again, I am neither a Doctor nor an Airline pilot.
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Old 04-29-2007 | 10:44 AM
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Skyhigh take a look at this word:


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Wiktionary, the free dictionary.Schadenfreude (help·info) is a German word meaning 'pleasure taken from someone else's misfortune.' It is sometimes used as a loanword in English and other languages. The German pronunciation of the word is [ˈʃaːdənˌfʁɔʏdə] (IPA).

It derives from Schaden (damage, harm) and Freude (joy); Schaden derives from the Middle High German schade, from the Old High German scado, and freude comes from the Middle High German vreude, from the Old High German frewida, from frō, (happy). In German, the word always carries a negative connotation. A distinction exists between "secret schadenfreude" (a private feeling) and "open schadenfreude" (Hohn).

Usually, it is believed that Schadenfreude has no direct English equivalent. For example, Harper Collins German-English Dictionary translates schadenfreude as "malicious glee or gloating." An apparent English equivalent is epicaricacy, derived from the Greek word επιχαιρεκακία, epichaerecacia. This word does not appear in most modern dictionaries, but does appear in Nathaniel Bailey's Universal Etymological English Dictionary (1727) under a slightly different spelling (epicharikaky), which gives its etymology as a compound of epi (upon), chara (joy), and kakon (evil).

In English, the word sometimes is capitalized, because of the German grammatical convention of capitalizing all common nouns in addition to proper nouns; however, as a loanword in English, it is typically left uncapitalized, following the rules of English orthography.

In Buddhism, the concept of mudita, "sympathetic joy" or "happiness in another's good fortune," is often explained as the opposite of schadenfreude.[
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Old 04-29-2007 | 10:45 AM
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"A beautiful wife and four young sons" and you're on an airline pilot forum posting the definition of sociopath along with your opinion of them?
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Old 04-29-2007 | 10:47 AM
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How do sociopaths fit in the military? Seems to me they would get poor evals based on their performance.
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Old 04-29-2007 | 11:23 AM
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Oops. I thought this was going to be a thread about J. Ornstien.
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Old 04-29-2007 | 11:25 AM
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Not a very good fit, play Doctor often?



[edit] Establishing the diagnosis
Antisocial personality disorder and the closely related construct of psychopathy can be assessed and diagnosed through clinical interview, self-rating personality surveys, and ratings from coworkers and family. For diagnosing psychopathy in forensic male populations, the Psychopathy Checklist-Revised (PCL-R) is considered definitive.


[edit] Diagnostic criteria (DSM-IV-TR)
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders DSM-IV, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental and behavioral disorders, defines antisocial personality disorder as a pervasive pattern of disregard for and violation of the rights of others occurring since age 15, as indicated by three (or more) of the following:

failure to conform to social norms with respect to lawful behaviors as indicated by repeatedly performing acts that are grounds for arrest
deceitfulness, as indicated by repeated lying, use of aliases, or conning others for personal profit or pleasure
impulsivity or failure to plan ahead
irritability and aggressiveness, as indicated by repeated physical fights or assaults
reckless disregard for safety of self or others
consistent irresponsibility, as indicated by repeated failure to sustain steady work or honor financial obligations
lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another
The manual lists the following additional necessary criteria:

The individual is at least 18 years of age.
There is evidence of conduct disorder with onset before age 15 years.
The occurrence of antisocial behavior is not exclusively during the course of Schizophrenia or a Manic Episode.

[edit] Mnemonic
A mnemonic that can be used to remember the criteria for antisocial personality disorder is CORRUPT[3][4]:

C - cannot follow law
O - obligations ignored
R - remorselessness
R - recklessness
U - underhandedness
P - planning deficit
T - temper
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Old 04-29-2007 | 11:40 AM
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jungle,

Not too bad a fit for some pilots I've known.

But I'd say its a much better fit for most Airline managers.
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Old 04-29-2007 | 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by robthree
jungle,

Not too bad a fit for some pilots I've known.

But I'd say its a much better fit for most Airline managers.

If you would really like to meet some actual examples, I can recommend a tour of your local Maximum Security Federal Facility.

If you ever meet a pilot with these characteristics you need to have a chat with your pro standards people.
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Old 04-29-2007 | 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by scrape101
How do sociopaths fit in the military? Seems to me they would get poor evals based on their performance.

Probably, but I'm sure that some slip through the cracks. The guy that thought he was going to crash a Fedex DC-10 into their HQ comes to mind.

But I'm sure that some psyco babble type will come on here with that age old "are you a product of your eviornment or born that way" type of stuff.
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