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SonicFlyer

Being a "climate change activist" = how to show you have no critical thinking skills

GogglesPisano

Like wokeism, it has all the makings of a cult. Self-flagellation, penitence, public shaming, tearing down old monuments and artwork to make room for the new.

People have always needed some sort of religion.

Welcome to the new religions.

rickair7777

EU can indulge themselves with this a lot more...

As children of the nanny State everything is taken care of, not as worried about economic ramifications.

Also trains... they can reasonably do most domestic travel by rail without terrible inconvenience. Much shorter distances and vastly more infrastructure.

Ludicrous Speed

…..because you’re a climatologist, or even a scientist?

SonicFlyer

No, but one doesn't have to be in order to understand that there is no proof that human activity is having an effect on the climate.

Ludicrous Speed

Your reply in itself is a logical fallacy. After you stew on that for a while, why don’t you search for organizations that concur with human activity’s effect on climate? They happens to be science based and of accredited higher education. Then do a search on organizations that say otherwise. They happen to be economic, political and right wing news based organizations. Be sure and do your search sans confirmation bias. I’ll wait.

MaxQ

At what point is presentation of physical laws (thermodynamics), experimental demonstration of phenomena (energy in certain wavelengths being trapped by specified molecules such as CO2, H2O, etc) and measurements of change in heat energy capture of the planet while also calculating how much these atmospheric molecules have increased directly due to human activity, considered to be approaching proof?

1.If more energy is poured into a body than is allowed to escape, then the temperature of the body must rise to achieve equilibrium.
2. Certain gas molecules block energy release. CO2 and Methane are examples
3. Man's activity has raised the number of these molecules above what would be from otherwise normal processes.
4. The amounts in the atmosphere can be, and are, measured. The increase in energy capture can be calculated as well.
5. Paleo data is available for times of similar gas concentrations and associated temperatures.
6. This is key: Specific feed back areas will make for variances; there will be errors in data collection and short term interpretations and conclusions; the planet is an emergent property that will sometimes react in a manner not completely anticipated (particularly in regards to time)....HOWEVER....the overall trajectory of the physical processes are well understood with the general outcomes as near a certainty as we mortals can speak of. In other words, the details may vary, but the trajectory of overall global warming will pretty much match the amount of greenhouse gases that result from Mans activities.

I personally have zero expectation of mankind taking any steps significant enough to reduce the annual addition of greenhouse gases. The temp of both the atmosphere and oceans will increase accordingly. The acidity of the oceans will continue to increase. All processes affected by these increases will accelerate. Sever weather, droughts, fires, sea level rise, etc which in turn affect our civilization. Famine, migrations, wars, economy stresses/collapse...which all have additional feedbacks that will probably cascade.

At some point the increases from Man's activity will slow significantly as a result of all this fun stuff. If we lack the wisdom to limit the output of our technological success, Nature will limit them for us. She has a long and honored tradition of doing so when any of her populations indulge in overshoot.
These kids referenced by the original poster are protesting against this dystopian future. I expect their efforts to be fruitless, but at least they are trying.
Man is quite clever, but He is not wise. He tends to believe what he wants to believe. Proofs seldom can penetrate that emotional armor.

MaxQ

Thanks for that post ludicrous.

SonicFlyer

Multiple logical fallacies including:

Appeal to Authority - https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority
Genetic - https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/genetic

Many of the organizations pushing the climate change narrative are funded by governments and/or political organizations in and of themselves.

Also, just because lots of people keep repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true. You should read up on what this guy had to say: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolaus_Copernicus