Hubcapped

I wholeheartedly agree with you. Let the experts be the experts. The intent of this thread from the start was to just talk about the battles. It was a little too much for the right wing extremist to handle i guess. Dude is still posting long quotes like anyone is reading a novel on apc….12 times a day

Excargodog

I understand you prefer a more simplistic ‘Ukraine good, Russia bad’ point of view, and while it would be a great thing if it were that simple, it isn’t. Our twenty year $2.3 Trillion investment in Afghanistan demonstrates that if nothing else.

https://watson.brown.edu/costsofwar/...and%20Pakistan.

While I would concede that the Taliban was (and is) ‘bad’ from our (and certainly my) perspective the end result of that twenty year effort was the loss of thousands of American lives to build an only somewhat more humane and less misogynistic government that didn’t even survive long enough for the US to evacuate 2500 troops.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-re...m-afghanistan/

That’s a pretty pi$$ poor return on investment for $2.3 Trillion and 2402 American servicemen’s lives, IMHO, although your opinion is free to differ.
So you may be overjoyed to take a simplistic rah-rah view of world events. And as for ‘let the experts be the experts’ it was those “experts” that formulated the Afghan experience which in any rational world has to bring their expertise in question.

As for “the battles” you are talking about, the only metric you can use with the stated goal of expelling the Russians from every square meter of Ukraine is the metric of total land area reclaimed. By that metric, the whole “Spring Offensive” has sort of been a stalemate and with ‘mud season’ pending it doesn’t look like there can be much advance - at least not until a hard freeze. And of course the issue isn’t even really about “the battles”, it is about the outcome. While “the battles” are helpful to us by whittling down Russian capability ultimately it’s the logistics that are going to win the war, and those still don’t favor Ukraine.

My opinion, anyway. You are entitled to yours.

DownWithNarita

Funny you don't mention the battles anymore since the ukrainian offensive has stalled.

Hubcapped

Umm reference about 4 posts up you knucklehead you

DownWithNarita

yeah its a cope from enablers like you, months ago it was Mariupol in a month now you're cheering that they moved the line a mile.

Do you get paid by those think tanks in Washington or do you just spout talking points here for free?

Hubcapped

The mental gymnastics to somehow equate iraq and afghanistan to the same geopolitical importance of keeping the RU out of the baltic states is pretty fascinating to see. Soak it up pigeon. Hit me with another cut and paste daddy. I need it

Hubcapped

please quote where I said mariupol in a month.

this is too easy friend, at least cargo has valid points some of the time.

please refute with facts the following statements:

The black sea fleet has retreated
ukrainian forces have taken the trench line in front of novo
ukranian forces have taken the train berm south of bahkmut and now threaten the gloc to bahkmut with indirect fire.

or just keep up with subjective right wing extremism propaganda……

facts are facts my man….this is not subjective. Unless you disbelieve everyone except the RU MoD briefs……….

i truly wonder if people like this want the RU to win and ukraine to fail….fascinating

DownWithNarita

His point is that people like you are easily manipulated into "we're under attack" way of thinking that allows for the enabling of every single bad and illegal foreign policy the US gets involved in.
I wonder in 10 years if we'll find any people who supported this? Don't find anyone who still supports the Iraq and Afghanistan wars..... we told you so.

Hubcapped

The mental gymnastics to somehow equate iraq and afghanistan to the same geopolitical importance of keeping the RU out of the baltic states is pretty fascinating to see.

DownWithNarita

moving them out of a combat zone isn't admiting defeat.

yes and?

Again its minor and nothing.

lol i'm the furthest thing from that. You're the one spouting government propaganda and talking points like vomit.

yes and you continue to ignore them.

I couldn't care less, but remember it was the west and the soft coup in 2014 that caused this.

You're a robot easily manipulated by propaganda its not surprising you don't see the parallels.