Notable developments in the Russo Ukraine War
#41
Sigh. I’d really like to avoid this thread going around and around and down the drain. If there’s one one or two “notable developments” every few months and the thread is barely active that would be fine by me. A big reason I started it was to have a place to post some of the most interesting developments I’ve observed without having to start a separate thread every time or spending a lot of time arguing back and forth. I’ve not posted some of the best stuff I’ve seen exactly because I didn’t want to discuss it ad nauseum with the same cast members (and now I can’t find some of what I passed up).
After repeatedly claiming the capture of Kupiansk, it appears that the Ukrainians have cut off and encircled the Russians inside the city. Not really that notable but the second time in recent months something like that has happened (the first was the breakthrough northeast of Pokrovsk a few months back). Wondering if it was a trap. Probably not but was fun seeing pictures of Zelensky there trolling Putin.
After repeatedly claiming the capture of Kupiansk, it appears that the Ukrainians have cut off and encircled the Russians inside the city. Not really that notable but the second time in recent months something like that has happened (the first was the breakthrough northeast of Pokrovsk a few months back). Wondering if it was a trap. Probably not but was fun seeing pictures of Zelensky there trolling Putin.
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And observation of certain trends.
And my innate, gloomy Eeyore type outlook.
I am beginning to think that the catastrophes in Ukraine and Gaza are distracting moral people from other looming catastrophes.
#43
Nothing about the major European economies defense budgets in the last 35 years have been a remotely serious response to Russian capabilities which is a prime reason for the FAILURE of Euro-NATO deterrence.
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#44
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Had a whole rebuttal typed up, giving you your due, answering your questions point by point, and in a many, agreeing with your points. Since you were able to at least acknowledge I wasn't stating what you thought I was. I'm sure if you have email notifications set up, you saw it.
Then you edited your post to include these juicy tidbits. So now, there's really not point in bothering with you anymore, sorry.
I'm glad you think highly enough of yourself to declare yourself dictator of forum etiquette. Are you a mod or petitioned to become one?
As will you, you think you're somehow special and exempt in discussions? Seriously, get over yourself with the "you will/will not blather", seriously? With that pompousness and inflated sense of self and how someone responds to you, you just lost me.
Congrats, we've successfully derailed the thread and gone contrary to the OP's goals. So Lazarus, apologies are in order.
What say you Lazarus? What of these "new developments" in the conflict? What will all this waxing/pontificating lead to in a 3.75 year (most recent addition) end up at? The same as every other thread that's been started/closed on the topic?
"Onnnnnnleeeeeeeee time will tellllllllllllllllllll"
And with that, it's time for me to water the owl............
Man, your posts almost live up to the epicness of "FADEC", keep up the good work man!!!
Then you edited your post to include these juicy tidbits. So now, there's really not point in bothering with you anymore, sorry.
I'm glad you think highly enough of yourself to declare yourself dictator of forum etiquette. Are you a mod or petitioned to become one?
As will you, you think you're somehow special and exempt in discussions? Seriously, get over yourself with the "you will/will not blather", seriously? With that pompousness and inflated sense of self and how someone responds to you, you just lost me.
Congrats, we've successfully derailed the thread and gone contrary to the OP's goals. So Lazarus, apologies are in order.
What say you Lazarus? What of these "new developments" in the conflict? What will all this waxing/pontificating lead to in a 3.75 year (most recent addition) end up at? The same as every other thread that's been started/closed on the topic?
"Onnnnnnleeeeeeeee time will tellllllllllllllllllll"
And with that, it's time for me to water the owl............
Man, your posts almost live up to the epicness of "FADEC", keep up the good work man!!!
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#45
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These six countries are 70% of the whole European economy. Little Estonia or even Poland ponying up more than their share STILL DOES NOT BEGIN to offset the big five not taking defense seriously.
Pretty much everyone but the Eastern European countries have been leaving it all to Uncle Sam to fund their defense.

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These six countries are 70% of the whole European economy. Little Estonia or even Poland ponying up more than their share STILL DOES NOT BEGIN to offset the big five not taking defense seriously.
Pretty much everyone but the Eastern European countries have been leaving it all to Uncle Sam to fund their defense.
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J Morrison, lizard king
How does any mortal pass judgment on innocents slaughtered in Ukraine or Gaza when it’s our weapons and blood money that plants their killing fields? What’s best, not who. Pilots should know better.
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Anything contrary to that, and you get labeled a Russian sympathizer/Putin puppet/apologist
Exaclty, a la the Russians in Afghanistan.
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That's not what I think. But if you've read all the previous threads, or had conversations with people, that scream "we have to support Ukraine!!!!!!", that seems to be consensus of how they see the ONLY end to it.
Anything contrary to that, and you get labeled a Russian sympathizer/Putin puppet/apologist
We could hope so. And what I've repeated before, how long can Russia last? Because, Russia just continues on......
And to date, people thought sending billions in aid and sanctions would do just that, and here we are, 3.75 years later, and Russia continues on...
Exaclty, a la the Russians in Afghanistan.
As stated, it's a war of attrition. Russia has more manpower to lose, how long and how many more fighting age males can Ukraine produce? Reference Excargodog's population pyramid graphics. And sorry, I'm NOT buying anyone's casualty estimates.
Anything contrary to that, and you get labeled a Russian sympathizer/Putin puppet/apologist
We could hope so. And what I've repeated before, how long can Russia last? Because, Russia just continues on......
And to date, people thought sending billions in aid and sanctions would do just that, and here we are, 3.75 years later, and Russia continues on...
Exaclty, a la the Russians in Afghanistan.
As stated, it's a war of attrition. Russia has more manpower to lose, how long and how many more fighting age males can Ukraine produce? Reference Excargodog's population pyramid graphics. And sorry, I'm NOT buying anyone's casualty estimates.
why couldn’t you have integrity and calmly and professionally answer my question when I afforded you the same courtesy?
and you forgot to add in where i prefaced my statements with ”if you have an ounce of integrity”. I perceive that to be a key point to where you quoted my “demands”. Please remember that you started with the first insult when I gave none by calling me thick headed.
#49
We hear a lot about a “coalition of the willing”, but just how ABLE are some of these “willing.” Here is one author’s perspective about current UK capabilities:
TEJAS BHATOTIA
11 December, 2025 01:39 pm IST
British military is short-staffed, underequipped, strained. An EPL ad hints at the crisis
Europe is going through a major churn, ramping up defence investment to beef up security in response to Russia-Ukraine war, but the British armed forces are facing severe manpower shortage.
TEJAS BHATOTIA
11 December, 2025 01:39 pm IST
Even as Europe goes through a major churn by ramping up defence investment to beef up security in the region in response to the Russia-Ukraine war, the British Army is facing a sharp manpower decline that has sent the government scrambling for solutions.
Such is the manpower crisis that serving personnel are forced to stay on the field far longer than ideal rotation norms allow.
UK parliamentary data published last year paints a stark picture: the Royal Navy met only 60 percent of its recruitment target, the British Army 63 percent, and the Royal Air Force (RAF) roughly 70 percent.
Interestingly, recruitment and retention numbers are not in sync, resulting in a net decrease in armed personnel in the last few years.
Parliamentary data published in November 2024 laid bare the shortfall in recruitment between 2019 and 2024. The Royal Navy achieved around 60 percent of its target, the army about 63 percent, and the RAF roughly 70 percent.
Defence Secretary John Healey acknowledged the scale of the problem during a session with the Defence Committee last year.
“Recruitment targets were set and missed every year; in the last year, service morale fell to record lows,” Healey said. “Over the last year, our forces were losing 300 more full-time personnel than were joining, every month.”
According to the UK government’s Quarterly Service Personnel Statistics, released on 29 May, 2025, the total strength of forces was 181,890 as of 1 April this year. There was an overall decrease of 1,340 personnel (1%) compared to the same point last year. Even though the recruitment numbers surged slightly and fewer personnel left-year-on-year basis, the forces have shrunk.
This October, Defence Minister Luke Pollard said the “resource challenges” were impacting parts of the army’s modernisation effort.
But the barnacled surface of the submarine told a different story. Last year, HMS Vengeance set the dreaded record, by remaining continuously submerged for 201 days to maintain a nuclear Continuous At Sea Deterrence (CASD), known as Operation Relentless. This is to keep at bay the Russian Yasen-class “hunter killer” submarines which sporadically roam the high seas off the coast of Scotland.
These long duration underwater patrols are unfortunately becoming a norm, due to sustained budgetary cuts, delayed inductions of Dreadnought class submarines and low morale among sailors.
It’s no coincidence that these records are a product of one single navy. Commissioned in the 90s, the Vanguards are dated and as a result, getting harder to keep seaworthy. Of the four Vanguards, for the last 10 years, one always remains in the dock for a major refit, putting major strain on the remaining three boats and its occupants.
Regarding the military, amid the recruitment crisis, a new Gurkha artillery unit has been created. King’s Gurkha Artillery (KGA). It currently has next to none legacy AS-90 self-propelled howitzers. Of the original 179, the majority have been phased out gradually and the rest, around 68, went to Ukraine, according to reports.
The meagre 14 Swedish-made Archer 08’s, despite their longer range and higher fire-rate, were an interim procurement to offset the loss. The regiments await the delivery of the RCH-155 gun, which, as of May this year, was still stuck in the “assessment phase”. It is expected to join service by 2029 and reach full operating capability (FOC) by 2033, three years short of its anticipated target, The Spectator reported.
Of the army’s 200 or so Challenger tanks that date largely to the 1980s and 1990s, 148 have reportedly been earmarked for further updates under the Challenger 3 programme with the rest are gradually getting phased out.
The initial operational clearance is expected to be granted by November 2027 and full capability by the end of 2030. This leaves the armoured regiments under-equipped and, upon induction of Challenger 3 tanks, under strengthened, a report in National Security Journal stated.
The Times last month carried an open letter from nine former four-star generals addressed to UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer, warning that “lawfare” and the erosion of soldiers’ trust in the legal system was a direct national security threat.
This stems from ongoing issues around legal persecution based on wars from yesteryears. Inquiries set up to investigate war crimes and abuses have dragged servicemen through courts for years, occasionally acting on circumstantial evidence.
In fact, Britain is one of the few countries which allows its judiciary to act on the armed forces.
This has had dire implications, especially on the famed members of the SAS (Special Air Service), who tend to operate in the “grey zone”–often ordered to and sometimes, in the heat of the moment, forced to do legally questionable stuff. The “tip of the spear” operates with an implicit faith that the organisation which has put them there will have their backs.
Such is the manpower crisis that serving personnel are forced to stay on the field far longer than ideal rotation norms allow.
UK parliamentary data published last year paints a stark picture: the Royal Navy met only 60 percent of its recruitment target, the British Army 63 percent, and the Royal Air Force (RAF) roughly 70 percent.
Telling numbers
According to The Telegraph, British Army personnel have gone down below 73,000 for the first time since the Napoleonic era. In 2010, the regular army was nearly 110,000-strong. Now, it is struggling to meet its target of 73,000 soldiers.Interestingly, recruitment and retention numbers are not in sync, resulting in a net decrease in armed personnel in the last few years.
Parliamentary data published in November 2024 laid bare the shortfall in recruitment between 2019 and 2024. The Royal Navy achieved around 60 percent of its target, the army about 63 percent, and the RAF roughly 70 percent.
Defence Secretary John Healey acknowledged the scale of the problem during a session with the Defence Committee last year.
“Recruitment targets were set and missed every year; in the last year, service morale fell to record lows,” Healey said. “Over the last year, our forces were losing 300 more full-time personnel than were joining, every month.”
According to the UK government’s Quarterly Service Personnel Statistics, released on 29 May, 2025, the total strength of forces was 181,890 as of 1 April this year. There was an overall decrease of 1,340 personnel (1%) compared to the same point last year. Even though the recruitment numbers surged slightly and fewer personnel left-year-on-year basis, the forces have shrunk.
This October, Defence Minister Luke Pollard said the “resource challenges” were impacting parts of the army’s modernisation effort.
The spillover
On 17 March, a Royal Navy Vanguard-class submarine haggardly crept into harbour after almost seven months at sea, setting a record of 204 days on patrol at sea. The usual applause followed, commending the sailors on the record.But the barnacled surface of the submarine told a different story. Last year, HMS Vengeance set the dreaded record, by remaining continuously submerged for 201 days to maintain a nuclear Continuous At Sea Deterrence (CASD), known as Operation Relentless. This is to keep at bay the Russian Yasen-class “hunter killer” submarines which sporadically roam the high seas off the coast of Scotland.
These long duration underwater patrols are unfortunately becoming a norm, due to sustained budgetary cuts, delayed inductions of Dreadnought class submarines and low morale among sailors.
It’s no coincidence that these records are a product of one single navy. Commissioned in the 90s, the Vanguards are dated and as a result, getting harder to keep seaworthy. Of the four Vanguards, for the last 10 years, one always remains in the dock for a major refit, putting major strain on the remaining three boats and its occupants.
Regarding the military, amid the recruitment crisis, a new Gurkha artillery unit has been created. King’s Gurkha Artillery (KGA). It currently has next to none legacy AS-90 self-propelled howitzers. Of the original 179, the majority have been phased out gradually and the rest, around 68, went to Ukraine, according to reports.
The meagre 14 Swedish-made Archer 08’s, despite their longer range and higher fire-rate, were an interim procurement to offset the loss. The regiments await the delivery of the RCH-155 gun, which, as of May this year, was still stuck in the “assessment phase”. It is expected to join service by 2029 and reach full operating capability (FOC) by 2033, three years short of its anticipated target, The Spectator reported.
Of the army’s 200 or so Challenger tanks that date largely to the 1980s and 1990s, 148 have reportedly been earmarked for further updates under the Challenger 3 programme with the rest are gradually getting phased out.
The initial operational clearance is expected to be granted by November 2027 and full capability by the end of 2030. This leaves the armoured regiments under-equipped and, upon induction of Challenger 3 tanks, under strengthened, a report in National Security Journal stated.
The Times last month carried an open letter from nine former four-star generals addressed to UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer, warning that “lawfare” and the erosion of soldiers’ trust in the legal system was a direct national security threat.
This stems from ongoing issues around legal persecution based on wars from yesteryears. Inquiries set up to investigate war crimes and abuses have dragged servicemen through courts for years, occasionally acting on circumstantial evidence.
In fact, Britain is one of the few countries which allows its judiciary to act on the armed forces.
This has had dire implications, especially on the famed members of the SAS (Special Air Service), who tend to operate in the “grey zone”–often ordered to and sometimes, in the heat of the moment, forced to do legally questionable stuff. The “tip of the spear” operates with an implicit faith that the organisation which has put them there will have their backs.
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We hear a lot about a “coalition of the willing”, but just how ABLE are some of these “willing.” Here is one author’s perspective about current UK capabilities:
TEJAS BHATOTIA
11 December, 2025 01:39 pm IST
British military is short-staffed, underequipped, strained. An EPL ad hints at the crisis
Europe is going through a major churn, ramping up defence investment to beef up security in response to Russia-Ukraine war, but the British armed forces are facing severe manpower shortage.
TEJAS BHATOTIA
11 December, 2025 01:39 pm IST
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