Is Security really Secure?
02-07-2008, 08:15 PM
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Is Security really Secure?
Hey Everyone,
As a student of Political Science I am constantly confronted with the question of weather current security measures make us secure. The inevitable decision we all must make is how much of our personal freedoms we are willing to give-up in order to truly feel secure. Another harsh question we must also face is whether we are giving up this freedom in the name of actual security or weather or not we are merely creating the illusion of security. So these are my questions. [1] How much freedom would you be willing to give-up for the sake of feeling secure? [2] Do you think that current security (namely Airport Security is working/and or good? And, [3] Do you think we're secure; or are our security measures merely an illusion to make us feel better in a post 9/11 world?
Always,
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As a student of Political Science I am constantly confronted with the question of weather current security measures make us secure. The inevitable decision we all must make is how much of our personal freedoms we are willing to give-up in order to truly feel secure. Another harsh question we must also face is whether we are giving up this freedom in the name of actual security or weather or not we are merely creating the illusion of security. So these are my questions. [1] How much freedom would you be willing to give-up for the sake of feeling secure? [2] Do you think that current security (namely Airport Security is working/and or good? And, [3] Do you think we're secure; or are our security measures merely an illusion to make us feel better in a post 9/11 world?
Always,
Dreamer
02-08-2008, 01:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer
[1] How much freedom would you be willing to give-up for the sake of feeling secure?
Originally Posted by Dreamer
[2] Do you think that current security (namely Airport Security is working/and or good?
Originally Posted by Dreamer
[3] Do you think we're secure; or are our security measures merely an illusion to make us feel better in a post 9/11 world?
02-08-2008, 03:45 AM
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1) For the sake of FEELING secure? None. For the sake of being legitimately secure? Enough.
2) I don't think that the current system is working. Just look at how many testers have gotten through recently with bombs and/or dangerous liquids. Something clearly had to be done about this before we learn our lesson reactively instead of proactively.
3) The new security measures aren't worth anything without attentitive and healthily suspicious TSA officers to handle them. Until we cut the problem off at its base, we really aren't that secure, no matter how advanced our hardware is.
2) I don't think that the current system is working. Just look at how many testers have gotten through recently with bombs and/or dangerous liquids. Something clearly had to be done about this before we learn our lesson reactively instead of proactively.
3) The new security measures aren't worth anything without attentitive and healthily suspicious TSA officers to handle them. Until we cut the problem off at its base, we really aren't that secure, no matter how advanced our hardware is.
02-08-2008, 03:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer
Hey Everyone,
As a student of Political Science I am constantly confronted with the question of weather current security measures make us secure. The inevitable decision we all must make is how much of our personal freedoms we are willing to give-up in order to truly feel secure. Another harsh question we must also face is whether we are giving up this freedom in the name of actual security or weather or not we are merely creating the illusion of security. So these are my questions. [1] How much freedom would you be willing to give-up for the sake of feeling secure? [2] Do you think that current security (namely Airport Security is working/and or good? And, [3] Do you think we're secure; or are our security measures merely an illusion to make us feel better in a post 9/11 world?
Always,
Dreamer
As a student of Political Science I am constantly confronted with the question of weather current security measures make us secure. The inevitable decision we all must make is how much of our personal freedoms we are willing to give-up in order to truly feel secure. Another harsh question we must also face is whether we are giving up this freedom in the name of actual security or weather or not we are merely creating the illusion of security. So these are my questions. [1] How much freedom would you be willing to give-up for the sake of feeling secure? [2] Do you think that current security (namely Airport Security is working/and or good? And, [3] Do you think we're secure; or are our security measures merely an illusion to make us feel better in a post 9/11 world?
Always,
Dreamer
2. It's working, although sometime very slow, hense the long lines. Good? Compared to a sharp stick in the eye, yeah I guess.
3. Pre 9/11 hijacking was not suicidal, in that the hijackers mostly wanted to go somewhere, or get their buds out of jail. Having many people that are willing to die (and take others with them) is a relatively new thing. It is not limited to airplanes though, as you can find events like this happening in colleges, stores, restaurants and even churches. It's all an illusion. Pick the one you are comfortable with and keep the line moving...
02-08-2008, 04:29 AM
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You sure ask a lot of questions!!!
As far as any of these above
1. None
2. Have you been through an airport? It's a joke really, but they get lucky once in awhile. Audit's of the TSA screenings have shown they miss more than they catch.
3. Partial illusion, partial practicality. There's always a chance plots etc.. will be discovered. Personally, I think these acts' should be discovered before the culprets ever make it to the airport. This is a last line of defense!!!(And personally, I love the idea of the FFDO program[pilots w/ guns], I'm eventually going to get my conceal and carry for personal reasons, but it's a right that I feel everyone should exercise or at least respect)
As far as any of these above
1. None
2. Have you been through an airport? It's a joke really, but they get lucky once in awhile. Audit's of the TSA screenings have shown they miss more than they catch.
3. Partial illusion, partial practicality. There's always a chance plots etc.. will be discovered. Personally, I think these acts' should be discovered before the culprets ever make it to the airport. This is a last line of defense!!!(And personally, I love the idea of the FFDO program[pilots w/ guns], I'm eventually going to get my conceal and carry for personal reasons, but it's a right that I feel everyone should exercise or at least respect)
02-08-2008, 04:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Ewfflyer
And personally, I love the idea of the FFDO program
02-08-2008, 04:44 PM
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1. Feeling secure? None. That is why I don't like what we have now.
2. No, it is a joke. It keeps the average Joe from getting through with his pocket knife, but if someone really wanted to do some harm, the current TSA and Security situation would be no more than a minor inconvenience.
3. I think that the authorities running the program think we are secure and I believe they are doing what they feel is right. That being said I don't feel that we are reasonably more secure now than we were before 9/11. When going through security, many people feel secure, so it also does act as an illusion to make people feel better, but I don't think that the TSA or the average traveler are seeing the glaring problems with the current set-up.
2. No, it is a joke. It keeps the average Joe from getting through with his pocket knife, but if someone really wanted to do some harm, the current TSA and Security situation would be no more than a minor inconvenience.
3. I think that the authorities running the program think we are secure and I believe they are doing what they feel is right. That being said I don't feel that we are reasonably more secure now than we were before 9/11. When going through security, many people feel secure, so it also does act as an illusion to make people feel better, but I don't think that the TSA or the average traveler are seeing the glaring problems with the current set-up.
02-08-2008, 04:47 PM
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My sister works fir the TSA and we talk about this all the time. Its a joke and they all know it. There is no standard training done from airport to airport, no real reason behind why "rule and regulations" concerning things such as the 3oz bottles are done, employees are unhappy (and therefore dont do their jobs right), attrition rate is outragiously high.
My sister, who has worked for the TSA since it was put in place says all it does is look good to the public. The general masses feel like they get searched so they feel secure. Anyone who spends more than a day in the airports observing the TSA could easily pick out the holes and TSA knows it but they wont say anything because its their jobs on the line. They stop the fly-by-night wannabes and joe-blow who is dumb enought to pack a bottle of water but thats it.
My sister, who has worked for the TSA since it was put in place says all it does is look good to the public. The general masses feel like they get searched so they feel secure. Anyone who spends more than a day in the airports observing the TSA could easily pick out the holes and TSA knows it but they wont say anything because its their jobs on the line. They stop the fly-by-night wannabes and joe-blow who is dumb enought to pack a bottle of water but thats it.
02-08-2008, 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Dreamer
[1] How much freedom would you be willing to give-up for the sake of feeling secure?
Originally Posted by Dreamer
[2] Do you think that current security (namely Airport Security is working/and or good?
Originally Posted by Dreamer
[3] Do you think we're secure; or are our security measures merely an illusion to make us feel better in a post 9/11 world?
Last edited by pete2800; 02-09-2008 at 11:29 AM.
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