Another drunk crewmember
10-20-2008, 01:22 AM
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One can feel both anger and sympathy for the lad… anger for arrogance to be above the law… sympathy because alcoholism is an illness which can be treated with professional care.
Random drug and alcohol tests are generally conducted in Europe unless there is provocation. The skipper had the presence of mind to keep this chap from the flight deck, contact company, and have the authorities awaiting the arrival of this flight.
Along with anger and sympathy is relief… relief that this person will be saved from himself, and passengers from inhibited judgment during a critical phase of flight. This guy has deeper issues than just taking a drink… so yeah… be angry but also show a little compassion.
My contract stipulates no consumption of alcohol within 24 hours of flight. I can’t remember when my liver was healthier.
Random drug and alcohol tests are generally conducted in Europe unless there is provocation. The skipper had the presence of mind to keep this chap from the flight deck, contact company, and have the authorities awaiting the arrival of this flight.
Along with anger and sympathy is relief… relief that this person will be saved from himself, and passengers from inhibited judgment during a critical phase of flight. This guy has deeper issues than just taking a drink… so yeah… be angry but also show a little compassion.
My contract stipulates no consumption of alcohol within 24 hours of flight. I can’t remember when my liver was healthier.
10-20-2008, 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
Eight hours bottle to throttle or .04 is what the FAA says. However many companies require 12hrs. They have op specs that are approved by the FAA and therefore replace the FAA rule of 8 hrs.
10-20-2008, 04:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
Thank gosh ...
So some people replace god with gosh when they curse. What have we come to now that He is replaced everywhere?
Thank gosh? Gosh forbid you actually thank Him.
A few more for thought Cycle Pilot
In gosh we trust...
One nation under gosh...
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10-20-2008, 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
One can feel both anger and sympathy for the lad… anger for arrogance to be above the law… sympathy because alcoholism is an illness which can be treated with professional care.
Random drug and alcohol tests are generally conducted in Europe unless there is provocation. The skipper had the presence of mind to keep this chap from the flight deck, contact company, and have the authorities awaiting the arrival of this flight.
Along with anger and sympathy is relief… relief that this person will be saved from himself, and passengers from inhibited judgment during a critical phase of flight. This guy has deeper issues than just taking a drink… so yeah… be angry but also show a little compassion.
My contract stipulates no consumption of alcohol within 24 hours of flight. I can’t remember when my liver was healthier.
Random drug and alcohol tests are generally conducted in Europe unless there is provocation. The skipper had the presence of mind to keep this chap from the flight deck, contact company, and have the authorities awaiting the arrival of this flight.
Along with anger and sympathy is relief… relief that this person will be saved from himself, and passengers from inhibited judgment during a critical phase of flight. This guy has deeper issues than just taking a drink… so yeah… be angry but also show a little compassion.
My contract stipulates no consumption of alcohol within 24 hours of flight. I can’t remember when my liver was healthier.
Some companies are better than others at providing assistance to crew members with these sorts of problems. At the end of the day, people shouldn't fear being taken out of the cockpit permanently if they're responsible enough to step forward, admit they have a problem, and seek help for it.
Who knows? Maybe this guy didn't have a chronic problem. Maybe he just had a really wild night on the town and his wingman either wasn't there at all or wasn't being a good wingman (worse than not being there at all). Crewmembers should never drink alone. Only bad things can happen.
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10-20-2008, 05:41 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
Random drug and alcohol tests are generally conducted in Europe unless there is provocation. The skipper had the presence of mind to keep this chap from the flight deck, contact company, and have the authorities awaiting the arrival of this flight. emphasis added
10-20-2008, 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
Are you saying that the captain called the cops on his FO and they were waiting for him? News reports say the police went straight to the flight deck and frog marched the guy off the airplane. Not an accusation just trying to understand your statement.
10-20-2008, 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by captjns
One can feel both anger and sympathy for the lad… anger for arrogance to be above the law… sympathy because alcoholism is an illness which can be treated with professional care.
Random drug and alcohol tests are generally conducted in Europe unless there is provocation. The skipper had the presence of mind to keep this chap from the flight deck, contact company, and have the authorities awaiting the arrival of this flight.
Along with anger and sympathy is relief… relief that this person will be saved from himself, and passengers from inhibited judgment during a critical phase of flight. This guy has deeper issues than just taking a drink… so yeah… be angry but also show a little compassion.
My contract stipulates no consumption of alcohol within 24 hours of flight. I can’t remember when my liver was healthier.
Random drug and alcohol tests are generally conducted in Europe unless there is provocation. The skipper had the presence of mind to keep this chap from the flight deck, contact company, and have the authorities awaiting the arrival of this flight.
Along with anger and sympathy is relief… relief that this person will be saved from himself, and passengers from inhibited judgment during a critical phase of flight. This guy has deeper issues than just taking a drink… so yeah… be angry but also show a little compassion.
My contract stipulates no consumption of alcohol within 24 hours of flight. I can’t remember when my liver was healthier.
have you seen the south park episode on this. kind of funny...
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