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Old 04-22-2010 | 08:35 AM
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Reducing pilot fatigue is a top priority for U.S. airline regulators. But new rules are being delayed by disagreements within the Obama administration over whether the anticipated safety improvements would justify the cost to airlines.
When U.S. Federal Aviation Administration chief Randy Babbitt last summer launched a drive to update decades-old rules covering how many hours a day U.S. airline pilots can fly or remain on duty, the agency hoped to release draft regulations by early 2010.
That date later slipped by several months, but Mr. Babbitt and Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood continued to say that keeping sleepy pilots away from the controls was essential. With Congress also prodding the FAA to move quickly, they talked about expedited White House review of regulatory changes.
Now, according to industry and government officials, the proposed changes are snagged by a dispute between the FAA and the White House Office of Management and Budget.
Budget officials have informally told the FAA that the proposal's projected cost to airlines wasn't justified by the anticipated safety benefits, according to people familiar with the details. As a result, there could be further delays in agreeing on a package.
The FAA's proposals could cost carriers billions of extra dollars through the next decade. But if the agency scales back the proposal to reduce likely costs, FAA and outside experts fear it would undercut basic safety goals. If that happens, some pilots' unions have threatened to oppose the entire package.
The tussle already has added to the friction between aviation regulators and officials at the budget office. Unless high-level administration officials break the logjam, people familiar with the details said, public release of the proposed rules could be delayed for months.
The FAA continues to push for speedy action. But according to the latest projected timetable released by the Department of Transportation, it could take until fall to issue a draft rule. Fielding public comments could take months longer.


Dispute Holds Up New Rules on Pilot Fatigue - WSJ.com
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Old 04-22-2010 | 08:53 AM
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Whoa.......didn't see that coming.
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Old 04-22-2010 | 08:54 AM
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Keep calling in fatigued!
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Old 04-22-2010 | 08:59 AM
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Remember folks, $afety (of the almighty dollar) is the number 1 priority to airline management.

They can preach about how safety is their number 1 concern, but we all know its $$ that really concerns them.
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Old 04-22-2010 | 09:00 AM
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Wow.

But new rules are being delayed by disagreements within the Obama administration over whether the anticipated safety improvements would justify the cost to airlines.

I'm just surprised this administration would, given some of the rules like cap-and-trade that could be coming, would factor in the cost to the airlines as a reason not to do new rule changes. Not to mention they're fatigue and safety related.
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This is why the congressional legislative effort is so important.

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Wow.

I'm just surprised this administration would, given some of the rules like cap-and-trade that could be coming, would factor in the cost to the airlines as a reason not to do new rule changes.
It's always money. There's a standard value for a human life. I don't know wha the current value is but say it's 2.5 million. If you've got an idea that will cost a billion but only save 10 lives, well, sorry about that. But if you spend a million and save a life, you're up 1.5 so it's reasonable to spend the money.
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Old 04-22-2010 | 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Twin Wasp
It's always money. There's a standard value for a human life. I don't know wha the current value is but say it's 2.5 million. If you've got an idea that will cost a billion but only save 10 lives, well, sorry about that. But if you spend a million and save a life, you're up 1.5 so it's reasonable to spend the money.
Message to the American traveling public:

Safety is a close second to money.
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I bet that if ALPA gets the AFL-CIO on board with voicing an opinion the white house will do an about face very quickly. They know they need labor in 2012, and this is not the way to go about it.
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