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Old 04-15-2011 | 07:43 PM
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I never have had a problem with the local EAAers or old timers at the airports, they just think I fly a 46 Cessna 140 and I really enjoy talking to them. Most people do not know what I do for a living and I certainly do not tell everyone how to fly just because I happen to fly for FedEx. Like cargo said maybe the problem is in the mirror.
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Old 04-15-2011 | 07:50 PM
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It is a common issue among VFR pilots. The AIM is not regulatory however if there is an accident or incident and the pilot in question was not using the procedures in the AIM it can be used to cite a violation. The use of standard pattern procedures is the basis for safe uncontrolled airport operations. When someone decides to stray and do a straight in or descending overhead left downwind pattern entry it puts everyone at risk.
This is really only a problem in planes that don't have a radio. There is nothing dangerous with entering from a straight-in or however you wish, as long as you announce it on CTAF...and everyone actually monitors the freq.
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Old 04-15-2011 | 08:29 PM
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Sky,

An aviation education is now up to 300K? You seem to be exponentially and unilaterally raising that price to fit your mood.

In regards to the University if I were lucky enough to gain a position there would work to bring a dose of reality to the program so that those who want to be successful in life can have the opportunity to try something else before dropping 300K on dead end training and education.
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Old 04-15-2011 | 08:45 PM
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An aviation education is now up to 300K? You seem to be exponentially and unilaterally raising that price to fit your mood.
Airhoss,

Did you read the first post? It was not me. It was in the April Costco magazine who claimed that a four year degree at a private university can reach 200K. I added ERU and flight training to it to come up with nearly 300K to get trained and educated.

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Old 04-15-2011 | 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by crewdawg
This is really only a problem in planes that don't have a radio. There is nothing dangerous with entering from a straight-in or however you wish, as long as you announce it on CTAF...and everyone actually monitors the freq.
Not to advocate or support a position, one of my favorite airplanes to fly does not have a radio.

What am I to do, when flying an old J3, and someone does whatever they wish? Even if they do announce it. Seems to me that is why the AIM has a recommended pattern entry.
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Old 04-15-2011 | 08:49 PM
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Oh man, I guess I got all the old timers stirred up now with your new fangled J-3 cubs and Cessna 140s. Its like the EAA all over again. Now all we need is someone to bring up the Marvel Mystery Oil and look out ..

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Old 04-15-2011 | 08:59 PM
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Oh man, I guess I got all the old timers stirred up now with your new fangled J-3 cubs and Cessna 140s. Its like the EAA all over again. Now all we need is someone to bring up the Marvel Mystery Oil and look out ..

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So now I'm an "Old timer?".

I was actually agreeing with you on the pattern entry thing. Just cuz I fly old airplanes doesn't make me an old timer...

BTW, what is this Marvel Mystery Oil you speak of?
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Old 04-15-2011 | 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by chuckyt1
Not to advocate or support a position, one of my favorite airplanes to fly does not have a radio.

What am I to do, when flying an old J3, and someone does whatever they wish? Even if they do announce it. Seems to me that is why the AIM has a recommended pattern entry.
I feel ya, as my favorite plane to fly (champ) does not have a radio either...that's why I plan on picking up one of these (not this exact one) for <$200 bucks. When i'm out in the cruising around, it's off...but when I go into an airport I turn it on. It works like a champ (no pun intended)! It worked for me in the past.


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Old 04-16-2011 | 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
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The Airman's Information Manual has traffic pattern procedures in it. Over the years some old timers either have picked up bad habits or are still using older procedures and do not want to change.

It is a common issue among VFR pilots. The AIM is not regulatory however if there is an accident or incident and the pilot in question was not using the procedures in the AIM it can be used to cite a violation. The use of standard pattern procedures is the basis for safe uncontrolled airport operations. When someone decides to stray and do a straight in or descending overhead left downwind pattern entry it puts everyone at risk.

The main point is the augmentative attitude of many older pilots. Pattern entry is but one issue I commonly come across. If someone is not willing to accept training then why am I going to risk my certificate?

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This was my thought and as such wondered if there might be some splitting of hairs when you tell the story. There was a quite long and informative thread when the former Rickt86 discussed certain pattern entries at his airfield where he was flying a plane for a Jump school. Do you even accept that there might be a different approach to a problem that is legal and within conventional aviation wisdom other than the one which you are teaching for certain practices or procedures? Much of the instruction that I gave was required by our own rules and regulations. that was the easy part. Teaching, explaining, and demonstrating technique was a much more challenging process.
Btw Sky....I'm having a heck of time flying around all of these uncontrolled airports lately. There is a lot more to discover and enjoy in the backwoods of General aviation, though beware because I do alot of straight-in approaches

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Old 04-16-2011 | 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
This was my thought and as such wondered if there might be some splitting of hairs when you tell the story. There was a quite long and informative thread when the former Rickt86 discussed certain pattern entries at his airfield where he was flying a plane for a Jump school. Do you even accept that there might be a different approach to a problem that is legal and within conventional aviation wisdom other than the one which you are teaching for certain practices or procedures? Much of the instruction that I gave was required by our own rules and regulations. that was the easy part. Teaching, explaining, and demonstrating technique was a much more challenging process.
Btw Sky....I'm having a heck of time flying around all of these uncontrolled airports lately. There is a lot more to discover and enjoy in the backwoods of General aviation, though beware because I do alot of straight-in approaches

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The AIM tells us all that we need to know. I understand that some professional entities like the regionals and turbo-prop operators like to do straight-in's however the AIM does not give exemptions. Why don't we all just do straight-in's? It would be a lot easier.

My main point is that I do not like it when a hobby pilot with minimal training and experience tries to tell me the instructor with thousands of hours, an ATP and a worthless degree in aviation how it is going to be. I have dedicated most of my life to aviation. To me when a crabby old timer with a few hundred hours wants to argue then they are not going to get a BFR from me.

In regards to your questions about my flight instruction career. I have been a part time instructor for many years now. If my collaboration produces a flight school then I will do my part however my first choice is, and always has been, to secure gainful employment flying instead of instructing. I really am not all that keen on instructing but it is what I currently have access to.

Skyhigh

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