150 mpg VW Hybrid-Max Range 800 miles
03-09-2012 | 06:27 AM
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Re: 150 mpg VW Hybrid-Max Range 800 miles
it because it keeps a lot of those people out of poverty.
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03-09-2012 | 08:08 AM
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I'm not clear on your meaning. Some technology we take for granted has been heavily funded by government and wouldn't exist in it's current form without government. Our national system of highways and the internet, for example, were funded by the government and ignited the economy. There has been countless innovations that came out of NASA like Velcro and hospital patient monitoring technology. That's what good government does.
If, on the other hand, you are saying that tax payers shoveling money to the billions-of-dollars-per-quarter-profit oil companies in the form of subsidies and tax credits is buffoonery, I agree.
If, on the other hand, you are saying that tax payers shoveling money to the billions-of-dollars-per-quarter-profit oil companies in the form of subsidies and tax credits is buffoonery, I agree.
I favor eliminating all subsidies to corporations or colleges. But at least big oil gives us something for our money.
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03-09-2012 | 08:27 AM
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If you want to screech about various geo-political topics in broken English, this is not the place. I can happily direct you to a place where this behavior is welcome.
03-09-2012 | 10:17 AM
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Re: 150 mpg VW Hybrid-Max Range 800 miles
Forget the profit margin canard; Exxon makes around 10 billion a quarter net. That's all revenue minus all expenses, right? The document you attached says Americans gave big oil 2.5 billion last year in tax relief for fossil fuel plus some more billions in subsidies for exploration plus Exxon didn't pay any US taxes last year anyway.
But at least big oil gives us something for our money.
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03-09-2012 | 10:46 AM
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More weasel words 10 billion net. 2.5 billion tax relief. How much of that 2.5 billion you claim is on money made overseas that you think needs to be taxed here? Big oil on the whole pays more taxes then other industry. There are no special big oil deductions. You want them to pay more US taxes let them drill here (like China is practically doing).
Again 6.2% sounds fair to me how much would you let them keep?
Documentation please on your 20 dollar a gallon claim.
Again 6.2% sounds fair to me how much would you let them keep?
Documentation please on your 20 dollar a gallon claim.
03-09-2012 | 11:54 AM
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Speaking of light bulbs:
Government-subsidized green light bulb carries costly price tag - The Washington Post
No comment needed:
Bad Karma: Our Fisker Karma plug-in hybrid breaks down - Yahoo! Autos
Government-subsidized green light bulb carries costly price tag - The Washington Post
No comment needed:
Bad Karma: Our Fisker Karma plug-in hybrid breaks down - Yahoo! Autos
03-09-2012 | 01:28 PM
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We often don't have enough time to fact check all of the lunatics here in the asylum, but an initial run on our mainframe tells us you used some very simple arithmetic. Far too simple in fact, GIGO and all that, MEGO-My eyes glaze over at the limited scope.
We were forced to divest all control over world military power back in 2002 due to a nasty legal action, I suggest you contact the appropriate authorities in this case.
03-09-2012 | 02:05 PM
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And here I thought you had run out to buy some $50 subsidized government light bulbs. It what all the cool kids are doing.
I am willing to bet 5 incandescent bulbs against one subsidized bulb that the pentagon will be forced to buy a couple of million of these things to bring the price down. Of course that cost will be charged against "the free flow of oil" account; thus bringing the true cost of gas to about $25 a gallon
Since we used about 140 billion gallons of gas last year, and if we use n226's high end hidden cost of gas of an extra $15. That would mean we pay 2.1 trillion to keep them Saudi spigots open.
I am willing to bet 5 incandescent bulbs against one subsidized bulb that the pentagon will be forced to buy a couple of million of these things to bring the price down. Of course that cost will be charged against "the free flow of oil" account; thus bringing the true cost of gas to about $25 a gallon
Since we used about 140 billion gallons of gas last year, and if we use n226's high end hidden cost of gas of an extra $15. That would mean we pay 2.1 trillion to keep them Saudi spigots open.
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03-11-2012 | 09:16 AM
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Re: 150 mpg VW Hybrid-Max Range 800 miles
1998 when gasoline was a little over a dollar at the pump and we hadn't incurred
the expense of going into Iraq yet or the BP oil spill in the Gulf. I suspect my
$15 - $20 per gallon figure is low.
How much does a gallon of gasoline cost?
...Once we establish that consumers are paying from $4.60 to $14.14 per gallon of gasoline more than the price at the pump, it falls upon all of us to either justify this added expense or determine that it makes little economic and social sense. Should the government continue subsidizing the petroleum industry at the rate of $125.6 to $273.2 billion annually in the form of tax breaks, program subsidies, and uncompensated protection services? Given that our burning, spilling, and leaking petroleum products combined with other effects of our reliance on the internal combustion engine cost an additional $423.1 billion to $1.4 trillion each year,would it not make more sense to devote a greater share of these resources to researching, developing, and implementing transportation policies and technologies that are cleaner, safer, and less socially destructive...
...Once we establish that consumers are paying from $4.60 to $14.14 per gallon of gasoline more than the price at the pump, it falls upon all of us to either justify this added expense or determine that it makes little economic and social sense. Should the government continue subsidizing the petroleum industry at the rate of $125.6 to $273.2 billion annually in the form of tax breaks, program subsidies, and uncompensated protection services? Given that our burning, spilling, and leaking petroleum products combined with other effects of our reliance on the internal combustion engine cost an additional $423.1 billion to $1.4 trillion each year,would it not make more sense to devote a greater share of these resources to researching, developing, and implementing transportation policies and technologies that are cleaner, safer, and less socially destructive...
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