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Have an ATC friend, he said after a rash of incidents and near misses, they are strict on hold short instructions. While other instructions like “American 101 contact departure” can be met with a “Goodday, 101.” there is zero room on a runway hold short instruction. They need a readback of 4 things, the hold short verbiage itself, the runway, callsign, flight number. Miss any part of those on a hold short instruction, they will ask you to repeat properly.
“Nice job champ” was deserved after the pilot enunciated the incorrect “American Airlines” on purpose. |
Originally Posted by vessbot
(Post 2746286)
The "good job champ" was not part of his job.
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Originally Posted by Rahlifer
(Post 2746467)
Y’all realize that the controller is having his paycheck held hostage indefinitely by a bunch of whiny idiots in DC, right? I can imagine they’re feeling a little testy especially when dealing with snarky comments from an old fart making 300k/yr who’d walk off the job if his damn crew meal wasn’t on board. 🙄🙄
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
(Post 2746382)
But in your point it says he can say point seven if he assumes the pilot knows that the ground is on 121.9 or familiar with the airport. We all know what assuming does.
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Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 2746421)
Jesus people. Can’t we all just take up fly fishing or something and chill?!
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Originally Posted by ToastAir
(Post 2746378)
Where is “ground point nine” in the pilot -controller glossary. The AA guy was a tool but so was the controller.
Didn’t see it there, however the AIM paragraph 4-3-14d and 7110.65 (ATC order) paragraph 3-10-9 example shows it. I’ve seen various phaseology issues (as a controller) over the years become major emphasis items that could be cause for displinary items. I’ve seen others that are really important that may not seem obvious to a pilot (I’ve flown part 121 as well). Finally there are guys who got burned by a particular readback/hearback error who are very particular with what they need to hear. Bottom line almost everyone is just trying to do the job as best they can, we all occasionally take short cuts. If a pilot or controller asks for something, there is usually a good reason. |
Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER
(Post 2746421)
Jesus people. Can’t we all just take up fly fishing or something and chill?!
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Originally Posted by BeatNavy
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Originally Posted by DENpilot
(Post 2750153)
Tool of the month, at the very least....
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