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vessbot 01-19-2019 06:17 AM

One guy gets testy, other guy gets testier in response. Standard part of the human experience, nothing to see move along.

(Except if you're gonna try to clown the other guy, it helps to be correct.)

Photoflier 01-19-2019 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by 123494 (Post 2745917)
It's similar to the controllers who want to hear "hold short" of a runway rather than just saying "short of"

No, you win TOTD for feeling like you need to be cool and say “short of” knowing full well the controller has to hear the correct verbiage or make you say it again. It just astonishes me when I hear you clowns unable to accomplish that simple task.

Learflyer 01-19-2019 09:51 AM


Originally Posted by ToddChavez (Post 2745878)
Nominating this tool bag AA pilot who doesn't know what his callsign is. Hint, it is not American Airlines...

https://youtu.be/YedkFX1jtuY

I had a Miami Center Tracon controller do this to me once. It was a busy freq at the moment, so I was just responding with the flight number vs full call sign. I did it again another time or two inadvertently. Again. We were busy, He was busy. Then he screamed at me to say "full call sign." So I did from there on out. Do controllers have "checks" like pilots do? I was assuming that he was on a "check ride" with his agency. So I didn't push back. He was just trying to do the right thing.

BeechedJet 01-19-2019 09:57 AM

I’ll just say this, I’ve been corrected by ATC in ATL more in my career than probably all of the other airports I’ve operated into combined. I don’t know why that is, sometimes I feel like they’re splitting hairs with the things I’ve been told to repeat. They’re not wrong with the corrections, just one of those places that doesn’t let anything slide no matter what the circumstance.

123494 01-19-2019 10:29 AM


Originally Posted by Photoflier (Post 2746022)
No, you win TOTD for feeling like you need to be cool and say “short of” knowing full well the controller has to hear the correct verbiage or make you say it again. It just astonishes me when I hear you clowns unable to accomplish that simple task.

Lol. And where in my post did you see that I say that? I’m just saying some controllers want to hear the proper verbiage and others tend to let certain things slide

4runner 01-19-2019 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by Photoflier (Post 2746022)
No, you win TOTD for feeling like you need to be cool and say “short of” knowing full well the controller has to hear the correct verbiage or make you say it again. It just astonishes me when I hear you clowns unable to accomplish that simple task.

Thank you.

Photoflier 01-19-2019 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by 123494 (Post 2746138)
Lol. And where in my post did you see that I say that? I’m just saying some controllers want to hear the proper verbiage and others tend to let certain things slide

They are REQUIRED to hear the proper verbiage. It’s a hot item to try to prevent runway incursions. The ones that “let it slide” are putting themselves at risk by doing so. If there is a runway incursion, and they didn’t require the proper hold short verbiage on the tape, guess who gets hammered?

Why a crew would put them in that position baffles me. And why you would call one of them a “tool” for doing their job is just weird

vessbot 01-19-2019 03:05 PM


Originally Posted by Photoflier (Post 2746231)
They are REQUIRED to hear the proper verbiage. It’s a hot item to try to prevent runway incursions. The ones that “let it slide” are putting themselves at risk by doing so. If there is a runway incursion, and they didn’t require the proper hold short verbiage on the tape, guess who gets hammered?

Agreed.


Why a crew would put them in that position baffles me. And why you would call one of them a “tool” for doing their job is just weird
He didn't call anyone a tool, he said the situation was similar to the "American Airlines XXXX" video already under discussion, where both the pilot and the controller were called tools by different commenters.

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That aside, there's nothing baffling about why a pilot would shorten a call - common laziness, and the desire for shorter transmissions on a busy frequency. Standard stuff. And I can identify with both. Communications (as well as most aspects of flying operations, really) are in a constant state of backslide into casualness and laziness, and it takes discipline to maintain the required standards.

However, once reminded of the requirement of something that may have fallen by the wayside, digging in your heels and laying the blame for the disagreement on the guy who's doing his job, is only a product of rank immaturity. (general "you," not directed at your post)

captjns 01-19-2019 03:20 PM

From FAA ORDER JO 7110.65X. This should put the matter of RT procedures to bed.

2−4−3. PILOT ACKNOWLEDGMENT/READ BACK

Ensure pilots acknowledge all Air Traffic Clearances and A TC Instructions. When a pilot reads back an Air Traffic Clearance or ATC Instruction:

a. Ensure that items read back are correct.

b. Ensure the read back of hold short instructions, whether a part of taxi instructions or a LAHSO clearance.

c. Ensure pilots use call signs and/or registration numbers in any read back acknowledging an Air Traffic Clearance or ATC Instruction.

NOTE− 1. ATC Clearance/Instruction Read Back guidance for pilots in the AIM states: a. Although pilots should read back the “numbers,” unless otherwise required by procedure or controller request,

ShyGuy 01-19-2019 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by hilltopflyer (Post 2745947)
The controller was being a dick. No need to throw in there good job champ.

The controller was just doing his job.


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