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Piklepausepull 05-26-2015 12:38 PM

What about the 757 guy who slowed early in the ATL, got a reasonable "please don't do it again unless you ask..." from the controller, who just couldn't let it go and continued to argue himself into a flight violation right there on final!

Firsttimeflyer 05-26-2015 12:45 PM

Yeah...but how long was final and was a wind check ever received?

badflaps 05-26-2015 01:17 PM


Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 1889042)
And this guy too. I just knew somebody would chime in with a L2RADIO comment. I suppose every pilot at JFK was an idiot who didn't understand radio etiquette. This was a tool controller, end of story.

He wasted half his radio time trying to get some WB past an RJ that wasn't even on freq. Had to listen to the controller tirade about the RJ when he could've had a warm cup of STefU and actually moved aircraft that were capable of moving. The entire problem was caused by the controller, made worse by the controller, and complained about by the controller.

New York has been like that since Motorola put the first radio in...Learn to live with New Yorkers in general or medically retire early. Nobody gonna change them boys and girls.:eek:

EMBFlyer 05-26-2015 01:20 PM


Originally Posted by Piklepausepull (Post 1889200)
What about the 757 guy who slowed early in the ATL, got a reasonable "please don't do it again unless you ask..." from the controller, who just couldn't let it go and continued to argue himself into a flight violation right there on final!

Gee...what airline could that be?

GogglesPisano 05-26-2015 02:03 PM

If an airport is that busy they need a metering freq. Also, most of the time pilots (and controllers) who block each other don't realize they're doing it because two stations key the mic at the exact same time. How are they to know? Listening won't help. (Think about it.)

Rather than throwing a tantrum, the controller should have taken "control" of the situation by calling aircraft by position.

atc niner 05-26-2015 02:14 PM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 1889253)
If an airport is that busy they need a metering freq. Also, most of the time pilots (and controllers) who block each other don't realize they're doing it because two stations key the mic at the exact same time. How are they to know? Listening won't help. (Think about it.)

Speaking as a Center contoller only we know when somebody just flips the switch and starts talking. They are usually interupting somwhere between a control instruction and the readback. Happens quite often.

I've had pilots that have been on my frequency interupt asking about rides ahead right after I issue a clearance to somebody else.

badflaps 05-26-2015 02:36 PM

The new super heterodyne printers will take care of all that malarkey. LGA will be mouse quiet..........

Hrkdrivr 05-26-2015 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 1889188)
I agree with you on this last post. Too often though, I've found that as pilots, we forget that the controller has other planes to deal with. Looks like you and I deal with this stuff the same way.

In contrast to that situation, I think ATL probably has the best controllers in the world.

You gotta like it when you're clearing the inboard runway, waiting for a chance to call ground and they call you first, "Delta 123, taxi Lima to Ramp 4."

Or, even better, on an early Sunday afternoon, landed ATL 9R, cleared at N10, tower (9R) says, "Cross 9L at Dixie, join Lima to the ramp, stay with me." :cool:

cardiomd 05-26-2015 05:29 PM


Originally Posted by Hrkdrivr (Post 1889314)
In contrast to that situation, I think ATL probably has the best controllers in the world.

You gotta like it when you're clearing the inboard runway, waiting for a chance to call ground and they call you first, "Delta 123, taxi Lima to Ramp 4."

Or, even better, on an early Sunday afternoon, landed ATL 9R, cleared at N10, tower (9R) says, "Cross 9L at Dixie, join Lima to the ramp, stay with me." :cool:

While on this, sometimes tower will instruct right after turnoff to contact ground on point eight, you switch over, and it is the SAME PERSON on ground frequency. Happens all the time in a larger delta I fly into late at night. Other times I'm able to taxi to ramp on tower. Why do you have me switch if it is just you and airport / frequency is not congested? :confused:

Purple Drank 05-26-2015 05:34 PM

The tool thread has lost its way. Let's get it back on track with this:
Green, Jim - UVU Employee Professional Page

and this:

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b270/cumpas/alpa.jpg


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