Originally Posted by MiLa
(Post 2779845)
Not sure where M5000 works but based on his comments I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s UAL. At UAL it is written in the FOM that the first flight of the pairing the crew SHOULD meet in ops. This was a big cultural difference between the 2 legacy carriers. At one they always met at the airplane, and at the other always in ops (Again for the first flight of the pairing only). It still causes debate in which way is better. I came after the merger and have no dog in the fight but it is written in the FOM so I go to ops. It used to be a little annoying when you would be sitting there waiting and then find out the guy just went to the airplane and it sounds like that’s what M5000 is getting at. After a little while you get a feel for which guys will show up in ops based on the domicile.
Exactly. Just don’t leave people hanging. Recently watched a new hire FO get left hanging by the capt. The ops people overheard him asking another capt if he knew the capt, Because he was searching for him. Ended up with phone calls, that the FO didn’t intend to happen, and he looked a bit uncomfortable, probably because he thought the capt would get in trouble. Nobody in trouble or anything but the FO was new and figuring out the swing of things. An easily sent email from the PM app seems to work well. Something like: Hi xxxxx, I’m scheduled to fly with you tomorrow. I occasionally run into some unforeseen traffic on my way in. How about we meet at the gate, just to ensure our operational integrity? Let me know what you think. Feel free to reply to this email, or feel free to text direct to xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thanks, Xxxxx Xxxxx |
Originally Posted by M5000
(Post 2779981)
Exactly.
Just don’t leave people hanging. Recently watched a new hire FO get left hanging by the capt. The ops people overheard him asking another capt if he knew the capt, Because he was searching for him. Ended up with phone calls, that the FO didn’t intend to happen, and he looked a bit uncomfortable, probably because he thought the capt would get in trouble. Nobody in trouble or anything but the FO was new and figuring out the swing of things. An easily sent email from the PM app seems to work well. Something like: Hi xxxxx, I’m scheduled to fly with you tomorrow. I occasionally run into some unforeseen traffic on my way in. How about we meet at the gate, just to ensure our operational integrity? Let me know what you think. Feel free to reply to this email, or feel free to text direct to xxx-xxx-xxxx. Thanks, Xxxxx Xxxxx |
Originally Posted by captjns
(Post 2779695)
Report back to this forum, after you’ve gained some experience, and report your views on this matter. Meeting in ops may or may not be necessary, but if your company policies require you to meet in ops on the first flight of a pairing, and you blow that off without any attempt to communicate that to the other guy, then yeah, I have to agree with M5000 that it's inconsiderate behavior. That's just a basic courtesy thing that transcends someone's level of aviation experience. |
Originally Posted by A Squared
(Post 2780070)
Meeting in ops may or may not be necessary, but if your company policies require you to meet in ops on the first flight of a pairing, and you blow that off without any attempt to communicate that to the other guy, then yeah, I have to agree with M5000 that it's inconsiderate behavior. That's just a basic courtesy thing that transcends someone's level of aviation experience.
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Originally Posted by Packrat
(Post 2779756)
Aren't you the cranky old man. "You kids get OFF MY LAWN!"
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Originally Posted by butthert
(Post 2779176)
I saw a great one the other day leaving the airport. Pilot was driving his BMW with the windows down blaring music and still wearing his hat, raybans and blazer. :confused:
I can see the blaring music part as being tool-ish though. That jerk would be mortally offended if I stuffed a set of speakers turned up to 11 playing mozart or beethoven next to him, not sure why he thinks anyone wants to hear the garbage he listens to. And by definition, anything playing on anyone else's radio is garbage :) |
Originally Posted by M5000
(Post 2779604)
The real tool is the pilot that doesn’t tell the other one that there’s no need to meet in the planning area/operations unless they’d like to because he/she would like to go straight to the gate.
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Originally Posted by vessbot
(Post 2779832)
Obviously M5000's comment was based on a situation where it's normal to meet in ops. (Whether it's normal for that airline, or because it's international, or whatever.) In that case, one guy leaving the other sitting on his thumb, in the dark, does not follow the golden rule.
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Well, I would like to nominate this guy Donald John Trump for saying pilots are too stupid and that's why planes have been crashing.
https://i.imgur.com/SHB6NlL.png |
Originally Posted by Simpsons
(Post 2780587)
Well, I would like to nominate this guy Donald John Trump for saying pilots are too stupid and that's why planes have been crashing.
https://i.imgur.com/SHB6NlL.png Filler... |
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