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Simpsons 03-12-2019 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by butthert (Post 2780676)
What part is nonsense?

The CRJ 200 level of automation should be the maximum amount allowed

ULLI 03-12-2019 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2780670)
Mods, please delete this partisan political nonsense

It's one thing to disagree politically, but facts are facts

butthert 03-12-2019 08:39 AM

Don't take Trump's word for it. ALPA believes that good pilots are a good thing as well -

Dear Senator,

On behalf of the 55,000 members of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l (ALPA), I am writing to reiterate our commitment to and appreciation for the enactment of landmark aviation safety legislation: the Airline Safety and FAA Extension Act of 2010. When Congress passed this law seven years ago, America took a significant step in advancing aviation safety. Since its passage, our country has not had a single passenger fatality due to an accident on a scheduled U.S. passenger airliner (Part 121).

Prior to this bill’s passage, the United States experienced multiple airline accidents including four high profile fatal airline accidents over a six-year period, including the Colgan Air Flight 3407 accident on February 12, 2009 just outside of Buffalo, New York. These airline accidents, which killed scores of passengers, focused the nation’s attention on how to increase aviation safety. And professionals at the Federal Aviation Administration, the National Transportation Safety Board and the U.S. Congress all responded.

Working with industry, labor, and government, all aviation stakeholders agreed to improve airline pilot training, qualification, and flight experience requirements for new-hire first officers entering our cockpits. Testimony from airline pilots, along with family members who lost loved ones in these fatal accidents, clearly made the case for safer skies. With the unanimous support of Congress, we addressed these issues with the passage of Airline Safety and FAA Extension Act of 2010, which also led to a number of significant aviation safety improvements such as science based flight, duty, and rest rules (Federal Aviation Regulation Part 117) as well as requiring specific training for stall recognition and recovery and flight in adverse weather conditions.

This law significantly improved training and qualification requirements for first officers – and improved the safety of our skies. It is a measure that was written in blood, and should not be weakened in any way, shape or form.

There are special interests in Washington, DC who, for reasons of profit, seek to weaken our air safety regulations. Our 55,000 pilots know they can count on you to stand with them to block any efforts to roll back these critical safety regulations.

As you continue the FAA reauthorization process in the 115th Congress, it is important to remember the extraordinary safety record we achieved because of the unwavering commitment of the Commerce, Science and Transportation Committee to support aviation safety. The strengthened pilot certification requirements have made our skies safer and helped keep America flying.

We reaffirm our commitment to getting you and each and every traveler safely to your destination every time we step into our cockpits. In fact, our motto is “Schedule with Safety” and we live and breathe that mantra every day when we are flying the line. We’ll accept no less and look forward to working with you to extend and improve our unprecedented record of aviation safety and to advance critical, lifesaving measures to build an even safer and more efficient 21st Century aviation network.

Sincerely,

Capt. Tim Canoll
President, Air Line Pilots Association, Int’l

lowcountryflyer 03-12-2019 10:00 AM

https://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...213-story.html

Munoz seems to agree with Trump

freezingflyboy 03-12-2019 10:06 AM


Originally Posted by vessbot (Post 2779169)
Yes, and they include US airports. After my second or third time during my first week as a newhire, I gave up on correcting them and accepted it as normal from ramp crew, fuelers, baristas, etc. But not when FA's and gate agents did it, they should know better.

Here's a fun one. Came through KCM this morning in civvies with just a small backpack and about a week's worth of stubble. TSA is doing random bag screenings at the checkpoint and I get selected to open my backpack and let them swab it. When the TSA guy finished he hands me back my bag and says "Thanks Cap". Didn't correct him.

4runner 03-12-2019 12:07 PM


Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 2780771)
Here's a fun one. Came through KCM this morning in civvies with just a small backpack and about a week's worth of stubble. TSA is doing random bag screenings at the checkpoint and I get selected to open my backpack and let them swab it. When the TSA guy finished he hands me back my bag and says "Thanks Cap". Didn't correct him.

There’s a difference between someone calling and identifying from the Chief Pilots(emphasized) office(said quietly) and me assuming he’s the CP and a non aviator calling all pilots Captain. One is ego and the other is respect.

4runner 03-12-2019 12:09 PM


Originally Posted by TheWeatherman (Post 2780649)
lol, you are right. He is saying that good pilots, not more automation, is needed.


Trump just trolled a bunch of snowflakes.

Boom!.......

Photoflier 03-12-2019 12:24 PM


Originally Posted by lowcountryflyer (Post 2780763)

Huh? Trump said planes are becoming too complex to handle by pilots. Munoz says United Pilots are good enough to handle the planes we fly. In what world are those remotely the same thing.

The 737 MAX. Too complex to fly. That’s a funny one. It’s a 1950’s plane with new TV screens.

What about the 767 that just went down? Too complex?

Photoflier 03-12-2019 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2780647)
Read the tweet VERY carefully. The first part is sarcastic. I think Trump is saying he wants real pilots, not computers and seat meat.

He’s not being sarcastic about the fact that he thinks planes have become too complex to fly. A 737 MAX. Too complex to fly. I’ve flown the 737-200,300,500,700,800,900,9MAX. They are the same damned jet with newer TV’s. Is the 767 that just crashed too complex to fly?

If he was suggesting that pilots need more training and more stick and rudder skills, fine. But I for one am a BIG fan of the automation improvements in modern jets. Planes are VASTLY safer than they were 30 years ago.

lowcountryflyer 03-12-2019 01:01 PM


Originally Posted by Photoflier (Post 2780917)
He’s not being sarcastic about the fact that he thinks planes have become too complex to fly. A 737 MAX. Too complex to fly. I’ve flown the 737-200,300,500,700,800,900,9MAX. They are the same damned jet with newer TV’s. Is the 767 that just crashed too complex to fly?

If he was suggesting that pilots need more training and more stick and rudder skills, fine. But I for one am a BIG fan of the automation improvements in modern jets. Planes are VASTLY safer than they were 30 years ago.

Planes are safer but that does no good with a loose nut on the yoke. I am not a Trump fan but you guys are taking it out of context for political reasons and that is sad. And for the poster wanting the thread banned.. That is the modern day equivalent of running to your mommy because you disagree with someone.


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