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D B Cooper 05-23-2012 06:22 PM


Originally Posted by Goodspeed (Post 1195054)
My wife and daughter (lap child) were going to get the last open seat on a flight home. At the last min a pilot walks up and requests the jumpseat.

As the gate agent is listing him he changes his mind and asks if there are any open seats in the back. The agent says that there is one but she is trying to get more people on. He decides that he doesn't want to sit in the jumpseat and wants the seat in the back, bumping my wife and kid.

You sir are a ...

Pair of VA pilots, chose to take Jumpseats so they can get Pax on, while, I am standing at the gate. Both refused to look at me as they walked past and flight left.

Short Bus Drive 05-23-2012 07:04 PM


Originally Posted by 100indefinite (Post 1195682)
how about, "Sir, the Jumpseat is already taken. Sorry." You and your cohorts know exactly how the game works, and making an "unofficial" power play to gauge the system for personal travel is just wrong! ( and you know it :)!)

Let us know how that works out...

As far as using an "unofficial power play" for personal travel... If you truly believe this is happening, there are ways to to check and see if said inspector is authorized to be there.

Short Bus Drive 05-23-2012 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by PBSG (Post 1195689)
He's gonna pull my tickets for following my companies procedures for jumpseating? Hahaha - Go ahead.

You might want to read up on regulations (not company policies). No emergency revocation, but might get a letter in the mail...

100indefinite 05-23-2012 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive (Post 1195761)
Let us know how that works out...

try me sbd, I'll pm you my schedule. You've truly turned to the dark side with that attitude, which is kinda sad. Maybe you ought to stay!


Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive (Post 1195761)
As far as using an "unofficial power play" for personal travel... If you truly believe this is happening, there are ways to to check and see if said inspector is authorized to be there.

if said inspector walked up as the poster claims, what do you call it? If you're official, I have NO beef.

Wingtips 05-23-2012 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by D B Cooper (Post 1195718)
Pair of VA pilots, chose to take Jumpseats so they can get Pax on, while, I am standing at the gate. Both refused to look at me as they walked past and flight left.

This is an industry disease. I love when its an RJ guy, like CHQ on a CHQ flight in lets say AA paint, they are on a positive space ticket with a seat in the back, and an AA pilot wants the JS on their full flight, and the positive space CHQ guy takes the jumpseat and bumps the AA guy to get another pax in the back. All the while saying they are doing it to help their company.

I guess they dont understand how fee for departure works for THEIR company, and whose paint is on the plane, and book the pax.

People who do this ARE TOOL OF THE DAY. But for every tool, will be another tool to do it to them when they are trying to get home.

The company controls how many they sell on a flight, we control the cockpit jumpseat. The cockpit jumpseat is not a crutch for positive space seats and the companys mistakes, you start letting it be, and they will factor that in to how they book flights, and soon make it a contract item for deadheads.

Short Bus Drive 05-23-2012 07:54 PM


Originally Posted by 100indefinite (Post 1195776)
try me sbd, I'll pm you my schedule. You've truly turned to the dark side with that attitude, which is kinda sad. Maybe you ought to stay!



if said inspector walked up as the poster claims, what do you call it? If you're official, I have NO beef.


I call it a possible change in plans last minute, and didn't have time to list. It happens.

sandlapper223 05-23-2012 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by Wingtips (Post 1195797)
This is an industry disease. I love when its an RJ guy, like CHQ on a CHQ flight in lets say AA paint, they are on a positive space ticket with a seat in the back, and an AA pilot wants the JS on their full flight, and the positive space CHQ guy takes the jumpseat and bumps the AA guy to get another pax in the back. All the while saying they are doing it to help their company.

I guess they dont understand how fee for departure works for THEIR company, and whose paint is on the plane, and book the pax.

People who do this ARE TOOL OF THE DAY. But for every tool, will be another tool to do it to them when they are trying to get home.

The company controls how many they sell on a flight, we control the cockpit jumpseat. The cockpit jumpseat is not a crutch for positive space seats and the companys mistakes, you start letting it be, and they will factor that in to how they book flights, and soon make it a contract item for deadheads.

The Captain of that flight should be monitoring his (or her) Jumpseat! Not the Jumpseat occupant! If anyone is the Tool, it is the captain for allowing a positive space crewman to convert to the Jumpseat and block it for any pilot who needed it. Look at the big picture! Who is running the show here?

throttleweenie 05-23-2012 09:33 PM

Is there a Statute of Limitations for how long ago? Because if not, I nominate myself again.

When I was a new captain about 5 years before the turn of the century, I was briefing the lead F/A (or attempted same) who was a SEA 34-Long bra size. I got about three words out, and she says, "Listen, sonny. I have three times the seniority of you and your little copilot over there combined, so let me tell you how this is going to go".

I said, "Yes, Ma'am, I'm listening".

Tool or not?

C/B

TW

throttleweenie 05-23-2012 09:36 PM


ALPA forum, (aka 12 Angry Tools) isn't even worth the time to log in.
I got four words for ya: Entertainment. OK, syllables.

C/B

TW

throttleweenie 05-23-2012 09:50 PM



Originally Posted by 100indefinite (Post 1195682)
how about, "Sir, the Jumpseat is already taken. Sorry." You and your cohorts know exactly how the game works, and making an "unofficial" power play to gauge the system for personal travel is just wrong! ( and you know it :)!)

Let us know how that works out...

As far as using an "unofficial power play" for personal travel... If you truly believe this is happening, there are ways to to check and see if said inspector is authorized to be there.
True this. I got a Fed banned from ever riding the jumpseat again on our carrier for using his authority under false pretenses. He was going on a vacation, and flashed his creds to do it, and I was ****ed when he told me after we took off.

It was when he started talking smack about UA pilots in the Summer of 2000, specifically me, for not accepting a direct routing. That's when I decided that I was going to do everything I could to make him understand the error of his ways.

Tool of the day, even if it was 12 years ago.

C/B

TW


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