Today the Bruh from GoJet that graciously took his DH seat in the back and "let" me have the Jumpseat on my own company metal.
Wow.

He had a positive space DH? If so, he SHOULD have taken seat in the back.

Is that how he described the situation to you, I'm guessing.

So you are a non rev. And he has a ticket. So you are mad that he took "HIS" seat that the company booked?

Which makes him the TOTD. "Letting" me have the jump on my own metal was the cherry. I humbly accepted his gracious act. :rolleyes:

Actually that makes you the TOTD "bruh"

Ah, gotcha!! Yeah, super nice of him!

Legacy American Airlines pilots don't.

Just had lunch with a friend from trans states, she was telling me a story about how one of their captains was arrested on the plane in ohare. Story is he picked up an envelope or something full of 700 in cash off the ground at a previous airport. Paid a fine and still has his job. Sounded suspiciously close to this.

well, he does work for MEsa. So I guess it's kind of accurate lol

If I recall currently, the OP's credibility was called into question by more than one responder in this thread. Maybe time to eat some crow?

To the rest of the crew on a recent layover, but mostly my captain.

Captain and I were to DH a short leg later in the day and while on the van I asked him if he had reserved his seat for the DH leg yet. He replied something to the effect of "nope, I plan to just take the JS so the company can get an extra revenue pax aboard". After I choked down my bile, I mentioned that by doing so, he might be depriving a commuter of their ride to/from work. I didn't even bother mentioning how he was eroding hard won benefits in the contract or kow-towing to the company during section 6 negotiations since he's a through and through kool-aid drinker. He didn't seem overly concerned, and all the cat ranchers got on board praising what a good guy he was. Fortunately there were empty seats anyway and he ended up sitting in his contract approved seat. I guess in order to seal his tooldom and make up for not riding the jumpseat, after I had a fairly nice landing he proceeded to critique my landing technique for the entire taxi back to the ramp. I didn't believe we had guys like this when I flew with all the cool NYC captains, but ATL has really opened my eyes to why so many people (rightfully) think we're a group of such complete DBs.

I had that happen once. Relatively decent landing, taxi in the entire way is all critique. But karma strikes as the next leg was his and he slammed it on in relatively good conditions. It happens, I get it, but given the circumstances it was funny. Dead quiet taxi in, and not a single comment on landing after that for the rest of the trip.

I was more focused on the JS DBery than the landing critique. I've had my fair share of plants, just so happens none with this guy. I'm sure you know the type, every decision you make or method you decide to use to get the job done, he's got a better way he'd like you to try. I probably spend 50% of my brain bytes trying to come up with ways to do something differently when he suggests something I'd planned on doing anyway (I've sadly had to endure this guy 3x in the last 2 months, he's on reserve so no avoid pilot XXX).

Kharma would have been: The CA is denied the JS due to a higher priority rider, the flight winds up oversold, and he misses his DH.

Or perhaps some non rev from his own company, would have had the opportunity to actually get on the aircraft, instead of an OAL commuter. Wouldn't regard him as a tool, but certainly not thinking outside of his box.

What fleet?

So you had a problem with your Captain's DH seat selection, you decided to air his dirty laundry on an anonymous website, and then you call-out all ATL pilots as tools and the rest of your DL pilots as DB's...you just nominated yourself for TOTD (rightfully so).

You're a newbie, right? But now that your off probation you've decided to be the contract enforcement spy sitting in the right seat or in the back of the van, ready to pop-off whenever you see anyone offering to help the company or their fellow crew members as union cowards and kool-aid drinkers. Did you tell them that in your interview..or did you just hide your true bad ass back-stabbing trait for APC? Did you forward any FAR violations to the FAA just to teach your DB captain a lesson?

For what it's worth, I agree the DH's should ride in the back to make room up front for commuters and use our contractural provisions . But what about the young family non-reving from ATL-SLC with only 2 seats in back? I volunteered to sit up front so the young SKW family could get out of ATL..does that make me a kool-aid drinker worthy of being exposed by you as the self-appointed Jr APC delta narc?

One things for sure..I'll be looking out for the newbie former F16 driver named Mike who seems to be more interested in other people's DH reservations than minding his own business on a long 4-day..wouldn't want to get labeled as a tool behind my back..because I know you didn't have the guts to tell your DB captain to his face.

CG

Don't sugarcoat it, tell us how you really feel...:rolleyes:

I've offered to sit up front on a positive space DH when a flight is oversold in the past. My first question is if there is anyone listed on the jumpseat or are any pilots trying to get on. If the answer is no, then I offer to sit up front under the condition they switch my seat just prior to close out. If that makes me a tool so be it.

I've had family members get on overbooked flights before because my fellow pilots were gracious enough to offer this courtesy before.

As far as critiquing another pilots performance, that is by far a toolish thing to do.

I reread my original post and unfortunately I have to eat crow and agree. It was not my intention to call all ATL guys tools but that is definitely what I did. I did not properly proof-read my post and apologize. Again, that was not my intent but there is no debating that is what I typed. That said, you don't get a free pass...

Calling somebody a tool is the same as reporting FAR violations to the FAA? How do you make that leap of logic? Where did I call anybody a union coward? How much of my post do you want to make up out of thin air? A strawman argument is a sure sign you don't really have much to say and you rip off 2 in a row. At least I use my name and former plane, how about you Mr. Internet Tough guy? Backstabber huh? Did you miss the part where I said I discussed this with my captain and had to listen to the FAs heap praise on him for thinking of the company first? I'm most certainly not hiding in the back of any bus. Anybody on APC who has flown with me knows who I am, what about you?

I would do the same if it was for a nonrevver, but you weren't there were you? He made it clear that he did not care if a commuter got bumped, as long as DAL could make an extra buck in the back. Maybe you should take your great story and nominate yourself for cool of the day.

Bring it on. At least I confronted my captain about it and discussed it with him face to face. Don't worry, I won't call you a tool behind your back I'll do it right here since you seem to be crying for the honor. We can share it for the day and tomorrow we can try to do better.

Fight fight fight!

I disagree with your last part. We debrief each flight and go over any threats, errors, things we could have done better. Each flight is an opportunity to improve. You might not have known you screwed up or are even aware of something you continuously do wrong but if it gets brought up after a regular flight debrief it might save you in a sim check, line check or FAA.

Now doing a debrief or critique on a taxi in is not the right time.

Airline pilots do not debrief every flight. If I flew with a captain who debriefed every flight over a four day I'd blow my brains out.

Dude,

So this is a thread intended to be a place where people can post about people they deem toolish. Mike posted about a person he considered a tool and the toolish behavior that was exhibited. No names were mentioned, cause you know, its anonymous. He didn't give enough info for anyone to figure out the Capt's name.

You can disagree if you don't think the accusation of tooldoom stands up, but why the butthurt and name calling?

Bingo. Sounds like feeling are hurt. :(

I think that getting ****ed off at the Internet is toolish, but that's just me...


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LOL, you seriously make me laugh.

Yeah, I said hey cap'n, you're going on TOTD because some severely butt-hurt coastie thinks after 7000+ posts in TOTD we are now honor-bound to report to our subject matter that they will highlighted on a web forum that maybe 5% of the flying population reads. I'll get right on that. At least I apologized for my stupidity, looks like you've doubled down on yours.

Seriously man, you've got some major underlying anger issues. Get some help.

Mod Note:

Move on. Lots of other tools out there worthy of your derision.

Please be forewarned, I have 2 short irony submissions, and I didn't tell either person that I was going to post about them here, my apologies in advance!

I was actually waiting for that very same DH that started the previous flap, when an older woman sat down next to me. I was reading a book but that didn't seem to matter, she wanted to talk. Fine, I'm in uniform and even with my super rebellious orange lanyard I'm always polite and courteous to our paying customers. At first it was small innocent questions but then she got heavily into politics. I did a lot of nodding and grinning and she asks me 'so, you're not allowed to talk about politics?' I smiled and said that's probably not the best idea while on the clock. Unfortunately that cluebug did not phase her at all and she proceeded to explain why her candidate was the best and all the rest were a bunch of idiots, etc, etc (btw, her candidate is an idiot). 20 minutes later and we're about to board and I'm still nodding and grinning and she ends it with 'well, I can't wait to get home, only problem is we've got our granddaughter with us and she just never shuts up'.

My other encounter with irony was at DAL for our 1st flight of the day at 0-dark-thirty out of the shared SWA gate. SWA was late and still sitting at our gate, which means we're now late, but at least I've now got time to stand in the amusement park line at Starbucks! So I'm standing there going nowhere fast and the woman in front of me turns to me and complains about how slow the line is going. It was pretty early so I was able to get away with a nod and a sigh. We finally get to the front of the line and she orders a single beverage that somehow comes out to 9+ bucks and takes longer than any 2 of the people who were in front of us.

Ha seems like the apple doesn't fall far from the tree in grandma's family. I never understood why some people think it's ok to jump right into politics with someone they never met before. I do wonder if she's a fan of walls though.

Are you sure it wasn't Captain Happy?......

My God, ok, I'll sit in the jumpseat if I want to, ok? There's like other passengers for the seats back there and you didn't tell me which seat to take, so I'll take whichever one I want. I make a mistake every 3 minutes, and my god there's like 1 jumpseat here, but I don't appreciate your attitude.

I'd call that an irony

Way too much nit picking if each and every flight needs to be debriefed other than the crappy crew meals, coffee, and of course lack of breadsticks on the meal tray. Boarder line OCD.

FTF,

I should have been more specific, I was referring to critiques/criticisms from a jumpseater/deadheading pilot. Unless something unsafe is happening, probably best to just sit there quietly.

Thanks for the tip, Mike! But there's nothing like a new-hire whining about all the "tools and cat ranchers" he has to fly with after getting hired in front of 12k other applicants and cashing in the winning lottery ticket to really crack me up!

You're not commuting to reserve, you're not sitting sideways in a 727, you haven't been furloughed, and your biggest problem is if the captain doesn't take his seat in the back on a DH..hilarious! I really liked the part where you get all butt-hurt when the FA's praise the captain and he has the gall to criticize your landing..during taxi back to the gate, no less! Man, that was hysterical!

And then you run back to APC with your tail between your legs to call all of your fellow DL pilots DB's and ATL guys tools hoping to get a pat on the back on this thread..that was the best therapy a butt-hurt Coastie like me could ever hope for!

Thanks again! Keep up the good work and let us know if you fly with any more tools! Who am I kidding? Of course you will!

I'm feeling better already..CG Out

i also used to frequently debrief stuff post flight--when I was in the military and we had formal debriefings, after either a training flight, exercise, or actual combat. Even then, we never debriefed after a "normal" transport flight.

In the airline world we never--NEVER--"debrief" following a routine flight. That would be mind-blowingly pointless.

Now if a checklist or a procedure had changed, and the other guy hadn't yet "gotten the memo" then yes, a quick reminder or pointer would be in order. If the landings were terrible all the time, and you know a good way to fix the issue, that MIGHT be a time to politely bring something up. There are no doubt other times when a little "hey don't forget that we are supposed to do such and such this way, and the company is really emphasizing that" might be called for.

But if we nitpicked every flight (up to five times a day) with "well your taxiing was a bit faster than ideal, work on your radio procedures, my technique is to call for the checklist at such and such a time, and why don't you think about doing the same?" we would all collectively go catatonic with the uber-stupidity of it all.

Standard debrief is either, "Good Landing," or "That sucked!" The first one usually said to the FO, the second one usually a self critique.