Cardio have you ever thought the FFFO program and FAMs are a useful deterrent to would be terrorists without even having to shoot someone?
You call these guys stupid for making mistakes yet they are good enough to fly you or your family members around in a pressurized metal tube with big jet engines on it and thousands of gallons of jet fuel?
You admit you make mistakes, so all of us should dog on you for any screw ups a Cardio doctor makes and lump you into that same category? Speaking of which you must be a crappy doc because the ones I know have king airs or pressurized singles...

I know I'm speaking to a brick wall and your pal packrat will have his head up your butt as well with an incoming comment I'm sure, but just take a step back from your anti gun infested mind and realize that you don't have to shoot people to be a deterrent. Just as the act of a cop driving behind you makes you straighten up a little, the program is effective.

Its certainly not a deterrent as currently applied. It would only be a REAL deterrent if EVERY pilot was an FFDO. The "cop" straw man is just that.

A real terrorist will just roll the dice considering the number of FFDOs to the general pilot group.

But that's always Barney's excuse. If the Captain had been an FFDO on the German Wings Airbus would the outcome have been any different?

Virtually ALL terrorist threats have originated on International flights. The whole FFDO programs is a knee jerk reaction to 9/11 capitalized on by a bunch of gun nuts who thought they were going to get unlimited concealed carry authorization just because they were airline pilots.

Oh, look! Incompetent and dishonest cardiologists! Let's condemn all cardiologists as TOTDs! What's good for the goose is good for the gander!

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Obviously, this is sarcasm, but it is the same type of claptrap a certain poster on here is guilty of.

With some notable exceptions, such as the four flights on 9/11, of course.

I'm not going to get into the FFDO debate here. Actually, at least on these pages, it's qualification as a debate is debatable. But if you are going to shout, you should shout accurately.

I've finally had enough. He has outlived his entertainment value. He joins a very small list.

This message is hidden because cardiomd is on your ignore list.

Let's get him a fundme account so he can get a V-tailed Bonanza. Problem solves its self.

How do I do that?

Does anyone remember the drinking game "Hi, Bob?" If not, it can be googled.

Based on this, instead of putting him on the "ignore" list, wait till he pops up again. When he does, and he will, everyone laugh and chug their beer.

That might restore the entertainment value.

Top tool bar "User CP" then "Settings & Options" then "Edit Ignore List." Works like a champ.;)

That....made me laugh sooooo damn hard!!!!!! Thank you for brightening my day!!!!

The Southwest this morning around 0640AM on Denver center, after much banter about his "light chop"....

SWA: "Will you call ahead to Chicago and ask about the rides?"
Center: "You want me to call Chicago to ask about the rides?"
SWA: "Yeah, it isn't like you got anything else to do this early in the morning."

I don't think he ever got those ride reports, not at least that we heard. Probably the worst part is the next center over from Denver is Kansas City, not Chicago.

The Gojet guy that pushed into the alley in DTW without calling anyone then sat there and blocked the alley like he was the only one operating. Missed my commute by literally 30 seconds thanks to you.

I also spit my drink out......:D

A bit of a logic failure there, but nice try. There are a lot of bad cardiologists and I don't defend them at all. If there was a program to actively do something stupid, say arm cardiologists who work in "dangerous" ERs, I wouldn't defend it, nor would I participate. I'm not really sure your post has a point.

Guns have no place in the cockpit. The vast majority of pilots agree with me, the rest post angrily here. ;)

I find explaining why a gun is not useful in the cockpit similar to explaining to laypersons why a (personal) parachute is not useful in my plane, or in an airliner. Some may want it "just in case." Still does not make significant logical sense, and is an emotional response.

But anyway yes let's return to TOTD.

Today's tool:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...s-in-her-wake/

LNL, I found your shoes. Do you want me to mail them back to you?

A. She doesn't strike me as a Gucci girl.
B. She does strike me as the LAST person who would be involved in any kind of illegal activity.

A. Correct. Never owned designer anything and never will.

B. True! I'm so vanilla and innocent, I've never even gotten a moving violation!

:)

meh, not even worth my time.

This guy's like the kid back in school who sat at your lunch table but nobody wanted there. Even after it was obvious that his presence was unwanted, he still insisted on sticking around.

Some people are destined to struggle through a good portion of life. Unfortunately we have to witness it in action. Isn't the division of labor supposed to free most specialists from worrying about what the other specialists have to deal with?

I figured the mods would have kicked him long ago for complete ignorance and insulting arrogance in nearly every post, but then realized his click numbers on the wannabee ads on this site must be off the charts.

FFDO debate? Not anymore, I tried to reason and got nothing in return but irrational generalities and condescending responses from a little plane pilot that has demonstrated that he doesn't have access to info on security limitations surrounding the issue. Look at his "armed ER" example. If there is a threat, a cop or security can be there unlike on most flights.

APC keeps letting posters like this in, have fun, I'm gone. They offer nothing for those of us who actually fly for a living. Take a look at PPrune. That place is run amok with enthusiasts and wannabees. Getting good info there is nearly impossible.

Adios

I'm not sure that's entirely accurate.

I can guarantee that is not accurate. Quite the opposite. The vast majority are either okay with it even if they don't want to go through the training, fully support it but don't want the hassle placed upon them, or are part of the program.

Im not sure why some people are on this forum. This place is called airline pilot central. Not quack central.

>>I find explaining why a gun is not useful in the cockpit similar to explaining to laypersons why a (personal) parachute is not useful in my plane, or in an airliner.<<

You ARE the layperson.

Couldn't agree more.

Credentials In PA
 

I know things like this have been posted here time and again. But, I never thought I'd be living it or ever making a post under this thread.

Here I am in shorts, boat shoes and a T shirt (orange lanyard and "I Am Investment Grade" tag attached to my non-crew looking carry-on) with my family getting seated on a Delta MD-90 in RSW. Why so casual? Because I can! I'm riding real-deal tickets, since nonreving throughout FL in spring break season is a nightmare. But I digress. The captain makes a welcome PA using his full name and that of the "assisting" FO. "We are both former U.S. Navy pilots with over 43 years of combined professional aviation experience to get you safely to Atlanta today." No orange either.

Captain of DL 2427 on 3/26/2016, you may be a dandy pilot, blessed with a stellar assistant. But, you sir, are a tool!

What did he say when you asked him about the lack of orange?

I've asked a couple pilots. Pretty consistent answer. They say wearing the lanyard isn't going to help negotiations. Some will add that it's against company policy and job is too good to risk. One said he never wears lanyards and isn't going to start now.

Honestly, that query was on my mind for the deplaning process. But wife had my nads on lock-down (as I uttered the word "seriously?" And rolled my eyes five seconds into the PA, she said "play like a big boy and don't taunt the pilots.") 😎

I knew captain fantastic was flying due to the F/Os voice on all the eroute PAs - which BTW were everyday sensible PAs. It was light turbulence for 80% of the flight. Lady across the aisle yacked two bags full and I gave her mine for the next round. I can't assess blame for the bumps, since I believe the area was pretty much that way. But I had to smile at the high-G landing. Biggest slam I have experienced in a few years. Reliving the carrier days I guess.

What do you find more toolish.... the non orange lanyard, or the PA. After all, the travelling public is clueless about the lanyard and issues the union have with the airline... being a F/O would it really be a good career move to query a Captain as to why no lanyard... just curious.

All in the delivery. I just say "hey boss, you should wear orange, its slimming":D

Why wouldn't it be? There was a bit of education from the right seat at my place of work, a decent CBA was the result. Things like lanyards are small but crucial steps towards that elusive goal called unity. Without it a pilot group will never achieve anything.

On 2 delta md90 flights today through ATL with both captains announcing who was "assisting" them. Best part was one of names was Capt oTool! Haha!

That nonsense needs to stop right away! Really?? Get over yourselves!

Unfortunately there is a lot of that at mother D.

However, I just flew with a "our mil background, I am assisted by PA" retired 0-6 fighter guy. Gave the most ridiculously long briefs /PAs I have witnessed. But you know what, he was on of the nicest guys I have flown with. Did the walk around on my legs and didn't say **** when I was flying. He bought all the beer and was a pleasure to hang with. Aside from the "between the 2 of us we have xx years flying" it was a great trip.

Free beer!!!

Well hey... Enough free beer can certainly help to take the sting out anyone's ego.:D

I fly overseas where an over 65 guy can occupy the right seat. Recently, I flew with a F/O in this category. Our combined experience with the airlines was some 70+ years. We laughed at the prospect of announcing that to the folks in the back. They'd either evacuate the jet or bring us a set of walkers. I find it toolish is that the company required this aviator to surrender his 4th stripe and hat with the scrambled eggs. Once a skipper always a skipper. It's a title that is not to be stripped regardless of age.

It's nice to reminisce and do the math about combined years or aggregate the number of hours in our logs. At the end of the day, do passengers give a rat's a$$? Survey says.... No.

This is a shady-80 thing. Just like announcing the military history of the crew. Haven't had a captain do this on the 320 or 737 ever. Then again, I've never been based out of Atlanta either.

People deal with insecurity in different ways....

I think it's worth pointing out there's more than one toolish thing going on here. Like multiple turds during a single sit.