Originally Posted by deadseal (Post 2396878)

I am always amazed when adults that fly planes using science don't trust science When 97% of a scientific community is telling you climate change is real. It's a shame that it became politicized, and people can't separate their political desires from rational thinking. Separate church and state folks

Originally Posted by Adlerdriver (Post 2396958)

ooooooooops......:rolleyes:
Now don't you mean "climate change"? The whole warming thing wasn't lining up with the narrative and reality so it made it easier to call it climate change a while back...... 'member?

Originally Posted by GatorHog (Post 2396975)

Yeah, you're probably right. Scientists couldn't have possibly figured out with any degree of certainty that CO2 affects the atmosphere and, as a result, the climate. Oh, wait. They have. Just one example is cited below...unless you want to tell all of those idiots at NASA that they're wrong. All those engineers and rocket scientists are pretty dumb.

So, assuming you're willing to graciously admit that CO2 can affect the climate, take the following into consideration: there are 7+ BILLION people in the world; they have 1+ BILLION working automobiles, and every single one produces 4.7 metric TONS of CO2 every year; the vast number of military and civilian jets in the world that fly every single day; the tens of thousands of factories in the world; and the reduction in CO2-absorbing trees and plants from the growth and spread of the population. With all of that, uh, yeah, it's very easy to see how the global population of earth could affect the atmosphere and, by result, the climate.

I doubt any of that will make you change your mind, though. Because you don't want to. No amount of evidence in the world can make someone believe something they simply don't want to believe. They'll simply discount the evidence, no matter how strong or numerous, or discount the source of the evidence as biased, even if it's very clear and likely that it's not.

https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/Fe...ycle/page5.php
World Population Clock: 7.5 Billion People (2017) - Worldometers
World Vehicle Population Tops 1 Billion Units | News & Analysis content from WardsAuto
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/gr...nger-vehicle-0

Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2396982)

Super- Lets talk about reversal. What efforts can we take besides a meaningless Paris Climate Agreement where most of the world wont do jack$hit about their contribution to the problem and we make all the sacrifices? Also, what level of CO2 output would markedly reverse the trend?
I havent seen any data in this arena, but would be interested if you could pm me or post those numbers. This is a serious inquiry because I have failed to locate any of that info.
Thanks Gator

Originally Posted by GatorHog (Post 2396994)

Great question. And if I knew the answer I wouldn't be a pilot. I agree that stuff like the Paris Climate Accord is way more about politicians congratulating themselves than actually getting a thing done.

I thought this article was interesting, although its but one single source of info and I'm just putting it here as one anecdotal answer to your question ...it uses 450 ppm as a generally accepted benchmark that we need to not rise above.

https://www.climatecommunication.org...tialaction.pdf

Excerpt: "In order to stabilize CO2 concentrations at about 450 ppm by 2050, global emissions would have to decline by about 60% by 2050. Industrialized countries greenhouse gas emissions would have to decline by about 80% by 2050."

Originally Posted by StrykerB21 (Post 2397016)

What an appropriate place to have this conversation.

Originally Posted by RI830 (Post 2397018)

952 pages into a good TOTD thread and it'll get shut down cause of a couple T'sOTD.

Don't screw up a good thing over climate (un)change.