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Old 07-28-2014 | 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
With all that being said, have you ever had a run in with a controller?

Then said to yourself "man, next time I have to deal with this controller, I'm gonna totally unload on them"?

Even though it was a DIFFERENT day, and the controller didn't do anything in that exchange to incite the behavior?

Who knows? Based on what you could be suggesting, maybe pilots the the night before got snippy with the controller and the controller simply responded in kind? Hmmmmmmm, maybe the internetz detectives can get to the bottom of this whole mess and pull the tapes from the IROP period the night before.........

Good grief, if any LGA based pilots did that circa 2000-2001 with a SPECIFIC controller that was notorious for having a serious attitude, it would have made that place even more fun.
I am all yes sir no sir, head down, no eye contact, I am not worthy. Unless it's RIC ground. Different story.

Now I am also passive agressive. So I just keep hitting the ident button... "is it doing that again? Yeah the last guy said it was constant, I don't know what to do about it..."
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Old 07-28-2014 | 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
Haha! Deal!

And, you're right, I missed your point.

Sorry Buzz, I tried to run interference for you guys, but CardioMD busted my left flank, the militia imploded, and he defeated me and posted it as TOTD material.


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Old 07-28-2014 | 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I am all yes sir no sir, head down, no eye contact, I am not worthy. Unless it's RIC ground. Different story.

Now I am also passive agressive. So I just keep hitting the ident button... "is it doing that again? Yeah the last guy said it was constant, I don't know what to do about it..."
I had one a few months ago on the south side where I was left wondering...."Did she send me to tower?" Ground controller said, "Delta XXXX, before I let you go....." (forget what it was, but I complied or took the info) and I thought..." 'Before I let you go????' Does that mean she wanted to me to go to tower when she was done?" So, like an idiot who at that point didn't have his sequence, I go to tower waiting and then I get from tower, "Delta XXXX, switch over to 121.75."

Perplexed and slightly annoyed, but nice female ground controller, "Delta XXXX, I didn't give you your sequence (i.e. WhyTF would you switch over?). You're after the company 75 holding short of mike 2, switch to tower 123.85." I felt an excuse was in order, "I was thrown off by your comment "Before I let you go..." I didn't mean to come across as a tool, but you never know. Didn't get any pushback on that, so hopefully not.
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Old 07-28-2014 | 05:27 PM
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I had one a few months ago on the south side where I was left wondering...."Did she send me to tower?" Ground controller said, "Delta XXXX, before I let you go....." (forget what it was, but I complied or took the info) and I thought..." 'Before I let you go????' Does that mean she wanted to me to go to tower when she was done?" So, like an idiot who at that point didn't have his sequence, I go to tower waiting and then I get from tower, "Delta XXXX, switch over to 121.75."

Perplexed and slightly annoyed, but nice female ground controller, "Delta XXXX, I didn't give you your sequence (i.e. WhyTF would you switch over?). You're after the company 75 holding short of mike 2, switch to tower 123.85." I felt an excuse was in order, "I was thrown off by your comment "Before I let you go..." I didn't mean to come across as a tool, but you never know. Didn't get any pushback on that, so hopefully not.
I'm going to look for that and post it.

CNN: Sexist pig Delta pilot yells at innocent female air traffic controller!!!!!
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Old 07-28-2014 | 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by mooney
Sorry Buzz, I tried to run interference for you guys, but CardioMD busted my left flank, the militia imploded, and he defeated me and posted it as TOTD material.
No worries Mooney! I appreciate the tactical air support.
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Old 07-28-2014 | 05:57 PM
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Originally Posted by buzzpat
I've been flying for 33 years. I've heard a lot of idiotic **** on the radio. I've never felt compelled to run home to my computer, track it down, and flame a fellow pilot or controller.

The DAL guy was way out of line. So was the guy who highlighted it (while having his app in for a job at the same company). The former has issues, so does the latter.

When was the last time you posted an exchange from a doctor or cop that was douchey?
In fairness.... the first half of your career was before the internet was a thing*

I never had to use it myself, but I remember in compsci classes seeing the old-school dial-up tech (acoustic coupler).

*Purely in jest
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Old 07-28-2014 | 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GunshipGuy
I had one a few months ago on the south side where I was left wondering...."Did she send me to tower?" Ground controller said, "Delta XXXX, before I let you go....." (forget what it was, but I complied or took the info) and I thought..." 'Before I let you go????' Does that mean she wanted to me to go to tower when she was done?" So, like an idiot who at that point didn't have his sequence, I go to tower waiting and then I get from tower, "Delta XXXX, switch over to 121.75."

Perplexed and slightly annoyed, but nice female ground controller, "Delta XXXX, I didn't give you your sequence (i.e. WhyTF would you switch over?). You're after the company 75 holding short of mike 2, switch to tower 123.85." I felt an excuse was in order, "I was thrown off by your comment "Before I let you go..." I didn't mean to come across as a tool, but you never know. Didn't get any pushback on that, so hopefully not.
I guarantee you not, from ATC's perspective anyway. It's for reasons like this that we are constantly reminded to only use standard phraseology, otherwise we're taught different pilots will interpret it differently. We don't like unpredictable results, so it's good you told her what confused you. Hopefully for her it was a lesson learned.

Also, with your situation and the original pilot's outburst -- I think I can speak for my fellow controllers and say we don't think anything of it at all. We take 10x the s--t talk from each other so this kind of stuff is only funny. We're not out to violate you, just trying to move things along. I bet the most this original controller did was turn to the local/tower guy and say this Delta hasn't had his coffee yet, look out. Then he completely forgot about it (until all this).
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Old 07-29-2014 | 04:51 AM
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This exchange was featured on my local radio stations morning show today
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Old 07-29-2014 | 05:19 AM
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
Guaranteed it won't get the traction that the stuck-mic diatribe about old FA's at SWA did a few years ago.
It's been 24 hours, the news cycle has moved on....

To the $12M fine SW just got for not fixing the cracks in the skin.

This will also be 'news' for the next 24 hours, then on to the next CNN manufactured tragedy.

Can we PLEASE see more of Martin Savidge and that dude with the soul patch in a 777 sim trying to do an emergency descent??
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Old 07-29-2014 | 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by ATCBob
I guarantee you not, from ATC's perspective anyway. It's for reasons like this that we are constantly reminded to only use standard phraseology, otherwise we're taught different pilots will interpret it differently. We don't like unpredictable results, so it's good you told her what confused you. Hopefully for her it was a lesson learned.

Also, with your situation and the original pilot's outburst -- I think I can speak for my fellow controllers and say we don't think anything of it at all. We take 10x the s--t talk from each other so this kind of stuff is only funny. We're not out to violate you, just trying to move things along. I bet the most this original controller did was turn to the local/tower guy and say this Delta hasn't had his coffee yet, look out. Then he completely forgot about it (until all this).
I miss the ATL Twr controller named Buzz, who always handed you off with a, "Have a GREAT day Gentlemen!" He was fun to work with. I heard the Delta pilots presented him with a retirement photo when he left.
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