Reading the news and comments, everyone seems to hate on Hawaiian Airlines and looks like it could potentially end Hawaiian’s reign and lead to failure. Does anyone think this is still a good place to go?

 

I think our interisland market makes up 25% of our income. Swa will undoubtedly take passengers away, but Hawaiian has a pretty big strangle hold of frequency. Between hnl and ogg I'm told we have more than nyc to dca daily. I doubt swa will come close to the amount of flights we offer. Articles I read mention it won't happen until after mainland routes are established, said perhaps 2020. I just don't think that there's any gate space available anywhere to make a real treat viable.

 

Yes, obviously Hawaiian's done. Look elsewhere,

 

Yep. Hawaiian is toast. A couple of 737-MAX's (are those ETOPS birds really suited to high-cycle operations?) flying 4 or 6 flights a day is definitely going to run HAL's Interisland operation out of business. And that would surely kill the entire airline; not like they make money doing any other types of flying after all! Interisland is all they do, right? If I remember correctly all those international flights, US mainland flying, and cargo stuff is subcontracted out to Delta, right? That extra 10 or 20 flights a day tagged into the middle of SWA's ETOPS pairings will really kill them! Hell, maybe Alaska can jump in and fly some interisland pairings too! Then it would almost be like sharing the market with Aloha again (or half of them at least)!

Have you considered applying at SWA? When we eventually merge and HAL gets stapled to the bottom of SWA, maybe today's HAL captains can be your FO's!

Definitely don't waste your time applying here!

 

The lower half of pilots on the seniority list don't even know what the battle was like between AQ and HA back in the day. They was in diapers or on the mainland.
Southwest could spell bad news if they figure out a way to do more than tag legs. Maybe the 787s going be ordered in blue with the heart or one Eskimo on the tail.

 

Your orders and aircraft retirements are a bit hard to follow on the APC main page.

What does the final fleet count and makeup look like now with the 787’s?


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While price always does scream, the Hawaiian product is nice, and the locals are pretty proud of their hometown airline. SWA will probably draw more people to the islands, via the "Southwest effect", but I don't think anyone at HAL is folding the tent.

 

Hawaiian is the best place to go if you want to live in Hawaii period. If you want to live on the mainland and have options to go to the big 3 or Fedex UPS I would do that.

 

I suspect the limited number of flights SWA will offer inter island will mostly be their own connecting passengers. The only issue for HNL will be yields. A small number of flights can disrupt yields and hurt the bottom line.

 

Are you guys serious?

Southwest has more than 700 airplanes and is known for high frequency/short routes.

I could see them absolutely saturating the market to shell shock the incumbents, it's what they do.