Hawaiian questions.
02-22-2016 | 08:40 AM
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321 rates are in a LOA. Not impressive.
We're in mediation with the NMB. Management is playing straight out of the 1990s Management playbook which is try to drag things out as much as possible when times are good, hoping things will take a downturn. This could be done in four months, it could go another year and a half.
So far, the pilot group is holding strong. The days of the airline getting pilots at a 20% to 30% discount while they pay market rates for everything else, coming to an end. We fly the same fleet type to the same type of destinations that Delta does. It's time for a true industry contract.
IMHO, the longer management drags things out, the more our price is going to go up with all of the other carriers signing good contracts.
We're in mediation with the NMB. Management is playing straight out of the 1990s Management playbook which is try to drag things out as much as possible when times are good, hoping things will take a downturn. This could be done in four months, it could go another year and a half.
So far, the pilot group is holding strong. The days of the airline getting pilots at a 20% to 30% discount while they pay market rates for everything else, coming to an end. We fly the same fleet type to the same type of destinations that Delta does. It's time for a true industry contract.
IMHO, the longer management drags things out, the more our price is going to go up with all of the other carriers signing good contracts.
02-22-2016 | 10:27 AM
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I may have an old copy. What is the general consensus among the pilot group for bidding for it? Are pilots wanting to bid it vs the 330 or 717? Its a two year seat lock correct?
02-23-2016 | 05:56 AM
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I'm not sure if you've seen the letter yet, but I recently read Capt. Robert Mix's well thought out and analytically written email. I highly suggest everyone in the pilot group to read it as well. Hopefully the majority of the group can unite and stand fast to fight for an equal contract!
02-23-2016 | 09:10 AM
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I'm not sure if you've seen the letter yet, but I recently read Capt. Robert Mix's well thought out and analytically written email. I highly suggest everyone in the pilot group to read it as well. Hopefully the majority of the group can unite and stand fast to fight for an equal contract!
AMEN!!!! A MUST read for all.
02-23-2016 | 10:09 AM
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I converted my times and explained my rationale in the interview. If I hadn't brought it up, I don't think they would even have asked about my times at all. I think I used .2 per sortie.
02-25-2016 | 05:00 AM
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Another question: based on the $36/hour rate first year, and I would imagine zero daily per diem for the "home every night" inter-island 717 flying, is it even possible to even make $30,000 the first year?
Can you drop trips and pick up other lines to get premium pay like some other airlines, or massage your schedule to somehow make more than this in the first year?
Can you drop trips and pick up other lines to get premium pay like some other airlines, or massage your schedule to somehow make more than this in the first year?
02-25-2016 | 06:26 AM
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Another question: based on the $36/hour rate first year, and I would imagine zero daily per diem for the "home every night" inter-island 717 flying, is it even possible to even make $30,000 the first year?
Can you drop trips and pick up other lines to get premium pay like some other airlines, or massage your schedule to somehow make more than this in the first year?
Can you drop trips and pick up other lines to get premium pay like some other airlines, or massage your schedule to somehow make more than this in the first year?
Sincerely, future hal pilot.
PS. The fact that one could make more at a regional first year, rather than at a "legacy" flying a widebody is borderline asinine. That being said still willing to take the cut for my dream airline...
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