Hawaiian questions.
 

I've been looking through a bunch of the old threads and finding little bits of info that I'm trying to piece together. Can some of you Hawaiian guys/gals chime in on some questions?

What are the min days off on reserve vs line holder?
What are the reserve call out times and report to airport times?
I've heard you can group all your reserve days together to help commuters. How well does this work?
Are there crash pads in HNL?
Have pay rates been agreed for the NEO?

Thanks in advance. Trying to get a good clear picture because of I were lucky enough to get a job it would be a BIG move.

12 days off either way. 2 or 4 hour call outs.
May group days, but may not be awarded if low in seniority.
Yes for crash pads.
Commuting sucks, I would recommend going elsewhere to avoid a 6 hour commute multiple times a month, management at other airlines seem to be more people friendly towards labor.
Neo rates are in an loa, new contract will set new rates.

Hawaiian questions.
 

I would say crashpads maybe. There are a couple that I know of, but there is a waiting list to get in them. I'm not sure how long that's going to take. Rent, housing and PARKING out here is about what you would pay in Manhattan. Odds are very good you're going to need a car out here too.

Also, it's a 5 to 6 hour flight out here and we have no commuter language in our contract. I'm starting to think we will never get commuter language in our contract. It's just not a priority for all of the guys that got hired here 20 years ago, and were able to buy their houses at 20% of what they're going for today.

Your could buy a house at 75% of today's value about 6 yrs ago...

In the last year or two I haven't heard a single person say "we need a commuter clause or it's a no vote for me".. Alhough one of our negotiators lives about as far away from HNL as you can get, so ya never know..

Hawaiian questions.
 

Based on his bidding seniority, I doubt it's a priority.

Six years ago, we had a Seattle base. Property in HNL was the last thing on a lot of people's minds. I fell for that one too. [emoji41]

Unfortunately for a lot of us, even with a commuter clause I would probably never commute that far. ( just personal reasons) It would be down my list of priorities. Aqnd even if I did end up commuting somehow, if I couldn't get there it would be a quick sick call and back home for 3 days.

The fix is a true industry contract with pay where you could afford to buy in HNL and work rules where you have time off to enjoy the islands.

This whole working for 30% less than our peers in an only base option where the cost of living is 30% more than most of the CONUS has GOT TO GO!

If not now, when???!!!

Amen....


And to add to it, I could not consciously vote for something that undermined the work of pilots at other unions. Heard from someone that ALPA is watching our negotiations with interest because there is a fear we may undermine the big 3. I hope not

Any word on how negotiations are going? Are the 321neo rates published somewhere in the contract, couldn't find them in the copy I have, was it a loa?

They are in the 'narrow body aircraft' LOA.
Top of scale for our past amendable date agreement is 188.64/hr 12 yr CA.
PM me if you need help finding it, lots of info there.