If you lie about having a college degree on an app and the company finds out about it, you'll probably be fired. And, be assured, at some point they will probably find out. Going through a career waiting for the piano to drop on you doesn't sound very relaxing.

Yes, there is a service which contacts the institution you put down to see whether you graduated or not.

Had trouble at a non-aviation positon once (temp agency for office work). They were unable to verify my BA even though I had it. Turns out someone goofed on the check and eventually it came back legitimate.

What kind of person would lie about a degree. If they would lie about something so huge what would they not lie about. Truth is a fundamental human problem, and it can be challenging. When you're sure you are going to get ripped off on your car insurance estimate so you put 12,000 miles a year on there when you actually put 17,000 miles on your car you told a lie; but the larger the subject is the more you had better be truthful about it. Sure, we all have had lascivious thoughts a time or two, or stolen a tape dispenser at work, or kept speeding through a speed zone because everyone else did it at the time; but to make major lies suggests wholesale lack of character and what amazes me is some people go through life maintaining lies the whole way. That senator from Idaho apparently lied for 60 years about his sexuality. What kind of life is that? It must be miserable.

Truthfulness is a human obligation but it is not as simple as to be mindlessly truthful all of the time. It requires a desire to be righteous, a little bit of self-discipline, and a little bit of dedication to your values. Show me someone who is 100% truthful and I will show you prideful, arrogant simpleton. If you are more than a little bit corrupt I will show you a loser. There is no easy solution and there is no simple answer to the mandate of truthfulness, but we all have to attempt it.

Uh, so more experience means it is now ok to lie??!! Whatever dude...I think you may need a little "Neosporin" for the wound that was your integrity.

Your asking pilots that would have to work with a mail order valedictorian what they think of sharing the cockpit with a fraud?

If you end up getting that job with your fake BS, that would be pretty unfair to pilots who worked their ass off to get REAL degrees...

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ok...lets put this thread to rest...it is from August and no one has anything new to add to it.

It is bad form to resurrect a thread without actually adding something to the argument. Let this thread go into the archives, its served its time

Can you get a job without a 4-year degree? Yes.

Can you get a 4-year degree, online, from an accredited college while sitting reserve? Absolutely.

If you try to pass off a fake degree as the real thing and are discovered, will you be fired? Probably. You may find a lot of bridges burning around you, too.

Think of it this way: to command an aircraft, you need your ATP. One of the requirements of the ATP is to be "of good moral character." Whether or not you have your ATP, do you think an airline would consider someone who lied about their academic background to be of good moral character?