Luv2Rotate

Then you sit and wait for the owner/charter pax to arrive 3 hrs late because they decided to have lunch after their golf game, and simply forgot to notify you...

Joachim

That sounds like 121 crew scheduling...

BeaglePilot

I love it how the 135 guys/gals take on an attitude about airline flying. I hear so much bull**** about how 135 flying is SO different.

Relax people you put your pants on the same way we do.

USMCFLYR

I've not expereince P121 or P91/135 flying.
Is it your contention that it is NOT so different?
From being on this forum and reading the exchanges and experiences from all three sides of the triangle - it would seem to me that there are great differences.

USMCFLYR

BushwickBill

Obviously I rubbed people the wrong way when I mentioned this and I didn't mean to offend anyone. I'm not trying to say any pilot group is better than another. All I know is that everything I ever assumed about aviation is usually wrong once I experience it firsthand.

I'm sure this is the exact reason why airline indoc courses are weeks or even months long. Guys getting into 121 flying need to understand that they are doing something completely different than 135/91 flying.

Now I am biased because I work for a company that has had such bad experiences with airline pilots that we simply wont hire them anymore. It sucks because I'm sure it isn't fair to the people who can adapt to the 135 environment. However, I didn't create this rule. A company that has been around since 1946 did. So it kind of speaks for itself.

I did have firsthand experience with one of these pilots. My admittedly biased personal viewpoint is he refused to adapt to the 135 world. I wont get into specifics because I am not trying to incite a flame war. I'm simply trying to advise that while 135 is neat for airline pilots as a way to get back into the swing of things, it requires a different mindset.

I'm sure I would be foolish to believe that I could jump into an airliner and act like "king air Bill". I'm a single pilot king air driver. Lets just say there is no CRM and I'm fairly certain that I would be fired on my checklist usage alone.

So again I will offer the olive branch and apologize if I rubbed anyone the wrong way. The last thing pilots have is to at least treat each other with respect. However, take the time to learn the culture of where you wind up whatever part of the FARs you happen to fly under.

Cheers.

HercDriver130

Well... hum.. having flown 91, 121, 135 and military there are differences, but really its just differences in the crew duties required. None of which a professional pilot shouldn't be able to overcome. Attitude is the key, and a willingness to adapt.

Luv2Rotate

Airline pilots would never APOLOGIZE.... That's one of the differences...
kid, kid...

aviatorhi

Well in my experience it isn't so much 121/135/91 etc. it's more of a "Real" Airline v. "Fake" Airline (I don't mean contract airlines)...

The main difference is that "Real" Airlines lose hundreds of millions every year and "Fake" Airlines make a decent profit, I work for a "Fake Airline".

BeaglePilot

Hey no need to apologize.... Huge RANT on my end. With all my airline flying I've been hearing the excuse of I don't have any "135 experience" from employers these days. And I really don't see a huge difference in the flying. I would never try to re-invent the wheel in an environment I had no experience in.

Its unfortunate that your company had a bad run-in with a 121 pilot. I have really flown with some extraordinary folks. I am not surprised though as the most recent up and comings are of the Ipod and backpack toting, while doing the pre-flight gig. (run-on sentence intentional)

Attitude is definitely everything, I can teach a monkey to operate the autopilot, but their head has to be on straight.