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Will 06-23-2010 02:22 PM

I have a question? If I get hired would I most likely be the most junior person in class if the last 4 digits of my social starts with a 0.

Eric Stratton 06-23-2010 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by flyguy81 (Post 831082)
Who knows what it is? I've almost twice that with no training failures, 2 degrees, and no email yet. Had the app on file and regularly updated since early 2008.

Not getting my hopes up since there's probably 10k apps on file, but it's nice to dream.

a buddy sent me an email and told me they only had around 2100 apps. seems low to me but that's what he was told.

Mesabah 06-23-2010 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Eric Stratton (Post 831096)
a buddy sent me an email and told me they only had around 2100 apps. seems low to me but that's what he was told.

That sounds about right, mark my word this time next year they will be taking guys from the right seat of the regionals just like last time.

Lighteningspeed 06-23-2010 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 831042)
Regarding the flow thru, DAL management is not very fond of this program.

First, the program is difficult to plan for because Compass and Mesaba can hold line pilots for 90 days, management and linecheck pilots for up to 9 months. When Delta hires, they hire to have out on the line as soon as possible.

Second, DAL does not interview these folks and thus has no say in the quality of the product. (I'm not slamming the pilots of Compass or Mesaba, no disrespect meant, just stating the reality of the program). Management has acknowledged that some of those pilots do not have a college degree and thus will end up working for DAL. They're not happy about this. However, future pilots hired by Compass and Mesaba will be required to have degrees.

I hear what you are saying. I imagine DAL HR is not too crazy about the flowthru program since they have no control over the candidate. That's why Mesaba pilots are allowed to apply outside the flowthru and get hired after going thru an interview instead of waiting for the flowthru.

For Mesaba they have to have a college degree for them to flowup. It's in the flowthru language so people without a college degree have to wait until they get one to flowup. Mesaba already said they will release approx 36 in 2010 for flowthru. That's 9 per month for 4 months as December is reserved for bypass and people held back.

KC10 FATboy 06-23-2010 02:51 PM


Originally Posted by JungleBus (Post 831049)
There's an easy solution for DALPA to present to the company, at least for resolving the CPS flow: bring the E175s to mainline. Otherwise, the company should be told to pound sand if they're looking to get out of the flow, as it proved to be a very effective furlough preventer the last few years.

That isn't going to happen and they've said so publically. What they don't like is not controlling the product or having a say in who gets hired.

I think DAL should renegotiate the flow through so that they have a representative on the hiring boards.

What happens if a pilot decides to leave Compass/Mesaba, but then "runs into" trouble during training? Can that pilot go back to Compass/Mesaba without giving up seniority?


Originally Posted by Ad Lib (Post 831073)
Management already has their 100 seat jet. The Type carries up to 122 seats. It is currently restricted to 76 seats.

Somehow the political center of gravity will have to change for our union to show any interest in unity and restoration.

The 50 seaters are toast. However, as stated by management, the 100 seater is the MD-90. They are so cheap and their efficiency is on par with other aircraft (if not better). The bonus is that they can carry more than 100 passengers if needed. This means, they don't have to spend 20-30 million on a new aircraft.

Lighteningspeed 06-23-2010 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 831107)
That isn't going to happen and they've said so publically. What they don't like is not controlling the product or having a say in who gets hired.

I think DAL should renegotiate the flow through so that they have a representative on the hiring boards.

What happens if a pilot decides to leave Compass/Mesaba, but then "runs into" trouble during training? Can that pilot go back to Compass/Mesaba without giving up seniority?



The 50 seaters are toast. However, as stated by management, the 100 seater is the MD-90. They are so cheap and their efficiency is on par with other aircraft (if not better). The bonus is that they can carry more than 100 passengers if needed. This means, they don't have to spend 20-30 million on a new aircraft.

I seriously doubt any Mesaba flowthru will have any problem with the DAL training as Mesaba has one of the best training department in the regional world. But if they do not pass the training, they are toast because they are no longer Mesaba pilot. Only way they can come back is if they reapply and get hired as a newhire if they pass the interview.

hiplainsdrifter 06-23-2010 03:14 PM

Funny, been with two different Regionals in my career thus far, and respectfully, both said they had the best training department too. ;)

KC10 FATboy 06-23-2010 03:20 PM

I don't have any doubt either. You guys aren't getting what I am saying.

You are reading this with the "regional versus mainline" goggles on.

If the company wanted you to not pass a checkride, they can find ways.

Another question, do these flow through pilots have the typical probationary period as other new hires once at mainline? Or are they full up DAL pilots with full voting rights and protections?

Lighteningspeed 06-23-2010 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by hiplainsdrifter (Post 831121)
Funny, been with two different Regionals in my career thus far, and respectfully, both said they had the best training department too. ;)

I am not going to get into a long debate with you over the quality of the training department at Mesaba. It's a generally acknowledged fact in the industry. We have dedicated instructors with many years of experience in the Part 121 world and we have a well established training department with its curriculum second to none. I don't know which regional you are referring to but if you are referring to SkyWest or Pinnacle I have no facts to disprove or agree with you one way or the other.

Eric Stratton 06-23-2010 03:24 PM


Originally Posted by hiplainsdrifter (Post 831121)
Funny, been with two different Regionals in my career thus far, and respectfully, both said they had the best training department too. ;)

Airlines are like the men in black, they only hire and train the best of the best of the best. Everyone says it. :rolleyes:


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