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80ktsClamp 06-25-2010 05:13 PM

If you were downgraded due to staffing issues, that is not the type of downgrade they are talking about

Technically you were displaced.

The context this is talking about is busting a CA ride or something of the sort and having to go back to FO.

Don't make it harder than it is! :)

KC10 FATboy 06-25-2010 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by J Dawg (Post 832279)
Any suggestions?

JDawg, I agree with 80ktsClamp ... you should not be checking that box.

J Dawg 06-25-2010 05:32 PM

Thx; I'll make the change

forgot to bid 06-25-2010 06:24 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 831834)
Well in that case I think it's best to update the app & sit tight. I know several people in the same situation who have interviews. One just received the email within the last 2 days.

update, update, update, update, update, (from what I've been told), update, update, update...


Originally Posted by freightguy (Post 832016)
Wow...where did you hear that? That is close to 3000 new hires in 4 years! Is DAL planning to grow that much? They might me getting ready for another Pilot Early Retirement Program? Or are they hiring pre-emptively for the future retirements?

Nice rumor though...hope it is true. If it holds true, this place will be a gold-mine for newhires joining now.

How many people were forecasted to retire this year vs ones that have? Wasn't it only 3 forecasted?

I was also wondering, what will AMR's hiring boom be when they finally start hiring!? Whens the last time they've hired?

Ad Lib 06-25-2010 10:47 PM

80 CLAMP speaks the truth.

Ad Lib 06-25-2010 10:52 PM


Originally Posted by scambo1 (Post 832080)
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They inferred a similar hiring rate in the new york meeting, but why would they open and close the hiring department? Once it is spooled up, I don't see them closing it to re-open it six months later.

There is still A LOT of uncertainty about this economy. Our hiring is being driven by growth. That growth really requires a sustained gain in employment.

I'd watch indicators like unemployment statistics, GDP and our stock price. Any of those leading indicators typically filters through to block plans and staffing decisions in that order. Delta reacts very quickly to market conditions and genuinely tries to avoid hiring pilots that they might have to furlough.

Overall, airline hiring tracks GDP very reliably with the average being about 4% growth yearly in between market fluctuations. Mainline hiring has fallen below the line because we've outsourced so much of it. Going forward it is hoped we will see normal patterns return.

sailingfun 06-26-2010 12:48 AM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 832096)
Does it really cost that much to assign a few individuals to staff a hiring department?

They stated at the JFK meeting hiring 305 and then taking a break until fall of 2011 and then could hire another 300 or so. The flying at Delta is so cyclic that they don't want anyone in school in the summer. They need everyone on the line. If you have new hires in class in the Spring and Summer then you have to have pilots in all seats in class at the same time to make room for them as everyone moves up.

acl65pilot 06-26-2010 06:05 AM

If they do stop for the first two thirds of 2011 it will be an approach they have never taken before. It costs a ton of money to start a hiring program only to start it and then suspend it after a few months.

caddis 06-26-2010 06:52 AM

Looks like the poolies of fNWA are getting called for interviews. Just had a buddy in the"pool" called for an interview. Very good on big D for giving these guys interviews.

alvrb211 06-26-2010 07:04 AM


Originally Posted by Ad Lib (Post 832451)
There is still A LOT of uncertainty about this economy. Our hiring is being driven by growth. That growth really requires a sustained gain in employment.

I'd watch indicators like unemployment statistics, GDP and our stock price. Any of those leading indicators typically filters through to block plans and staffing decisions in that order. Delta reacts very quickly to market conditions and genuinely tries to avoid hiring pilots that they might have to furlough.

Overall, airline hiring tracks GDP very reliably with the average being about 4% growth yearly in between market fluctuations. Mainline hiring has fallen below the line because we've outsourced so much of it. Going forward it is hoped we will see normal patterns return.


Good points!

Also, watch global air freight. It has been a very reliable indicator going into, and coming out of recessions. Right now, there are a lot of positive signs there. Airlines typically use Causal methods in forecasting which are only good for a couple of years at best. Again, there are positive indicators going forward so let's hope for continued improvement.



Al


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