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Old 06-26-2010 | 07:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They stated at the JFK meeting hiring 305 and then taking a break until fall of 2011 and then could hire another 300 or so. The flying at Delta is so cyclic that they don't want anyone in school in the summer. They need everyone on the line. If you have new hires in class in the Spring and Summer then you have to have pilots in all seats in class at the same time to make room for them as everyone moves up.
I don't see the bold part as being true for new hires. There is no reason why they can't be in the school house in the summer. They aren't being pulled off the line to switch airplanes, so there isn't a loss in the system.

Most of the instructors are DGS, so no loss there. Any SLI instructors are probably less busy because they aren't doing as much CQ or Captain upgrades as normal, to keep people on the line for the summer. (a smart training dept would train people expiring in June in May, and August people in Sept).

In 2007 they hired and trained right through the summer. In 2008, the hired in March/April and probably trained through the summer as well.
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Old 06-26-2010 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by J Dawg
Getting back to the addendum for a minute and the part about being downgraded; here is the question:

"15. Have you ever been the subject of an evaluation board or been removed from flight status, downgraded, or failed any portion of flight training either civilian or military?"

I have been downgraded from FO to FE due to staffing issues, so for me the answer to this question if taken literally is "yes". However, when the entire question is taken in context one would take it as meaning downgraded for performance reasons.

Right now I have it checked as "yes", but I don't want to raise any unnecessary eyebrows either.

Any suggestions?
The question here is asked from a totally different perspective....definitely not staffing related. They are checking to see of you have a training, flying, disciplinary issue. I would check 'no'.
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Old 06-26-2010 | 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by caddis
Looks like the poolies of fNWA are getting called for interviews. Just had a buddy in the"pool" called for an interview. Very good on big D for giving these guys interviews.
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Old 06-26-2010 | 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
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They inferred a similar hiring rate in the new york meeting, but why would they open and close the hiring department? Once it is spooled up, I don't see them closing it to re-open it six months later.
They implied, you inferred.
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Old 06-26-2010 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
They stated at the JFK meeting hiring 305 and then taking a break until fall of 2011 and then could hire another 300 or so. The flying at Delta is so cyclic that they don't want anyone in school in the summer. They need everyone on the line. If you have new hires in class in the Spring and Summer then you have to have pilots in all seats in class at the same time to make room for them as everyone moves up.
With the company going to 9 month CQ cycles, it will even out the training resources/availibility anyway.
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Old 06-26-2010 | 10:00 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
If they do stop for the first two thirds of 2011 it will be an approach they have never taken before. It costs a ton of money to start a hiring program only to start it and then suspend it after a few months.
I agree. Everyone needs to remember that when they spooled things up in 2007 they were only going to hire a couple hundred. That turned out to be 700.

I was told personally by BB that Delta will never say exactly what the plan is as far as hiring goes. If they have a hiring department up and running and they are saying 305, I'd be my next check that there will be more than that unless the economic indicators they are looking at turn out to be wrong. They may have some months with very small classes or maybe even a month with no classes, but I think we'll see guys coming in for most of 2011.
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Old 06-27-2010 | 06:44 AM
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Any military guys getting called?
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Old 06-27-2010 | 06:49 AM
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Three of the first five hired were military.
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Old 06-27-2010 | 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by iaflyer
I don't see the bold part as being true for new hires. There is no reason why they can't be in the school house in the summer. They aren't being pulled off the line to switch airplanes, so there isn't a loss in the system.

Most of the instructors are DGS, so no loss there. Any SLI instructors are probably less busy because they aren't doing as much CQ or Captain upgrades as normal, to keep people on the line for the summer. (a smart training dept would train people expiring in June in May, and August people in Sept).

In 2007 they hired and trained right through the summer. In 2008, the hired in March/April and probably trained through the summer as well.
New hire training does not function in a vacuum. If you were to hire 300 new hires in the spring they have to go to a seat on a aircraft. That means you have to move 300 pilots off that seat to another seat. That means moving those pilots ect...
In order to sustain hiring year round the company has to overstaff the airline by about 5 to 10 percent depending on the amount of hiring. By hiring only in the fall the company can avoid some of that overstaffing which leads sadly to furloughs or surplus pilots not needed. If the economy continues to improve they may hire year round however without a major aircraft order that is not likely. We will begin to max out our current assets and hiring will only be on a attrition basis. I hope that changes with a aircraft order however no one know is talking about a order at this point. The only wildcard is the 787 discussions.
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Old 06-27-2010 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
If they do stop for the first two thirds of 2011 it will be an approach they have never taken before. It costs a ton of money to start a hiring program only to start it and then suspend it after a few months.

I am not sure about tons of money. A new hire is a training slot like any other training slot. We have many years ramped down the training department for the summer. We are doing it this year. We did it last year. There is some admin staff that would not be needed however normally they simply move them over to some other projects and then back when interviews will start. Not a huge deal or huge cost.
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