Just keeping it real... the company is far bigger now than it's ever been. To expect it to grow again at the rate it did from 2008-2012 is very optimistic to say the least.... its' like expecting the real estate market to boom again like it did in the early 2000's again now. We've already pulled out of several routes that were part of that aggressive growth plan (Manilla, Taipei, Fukuoka, and scaled back JFK)... we're now doing 2 days trips to PDX and SFO, used to be 3 day... I can go on, but you get the idea.

The junior captain at DAL is basically the junior captain at HAL.. most of our junior CA's were hired around '99 or 2000, as with DAL... the handful of CA's we have hired in 2008 are as a result of 0-hiring at HAL between 2000-2008... DAL on the other hand has been hiring on and off since 2003.

Again, just keeping it real... we get enough Koolaid from our management, lets give the guys considering leaving 10 year careers for HAL the whole picture so they can make an informed choice.

Yes and Yes, but less likely than if you were local or had internal recs.

I'd say the internal is far more important than where you live from what I've seen of the latest hires, many of whom commute.

Let's not forget contractual improvements in 2015 may increase pilot staffing levels. Hopefully the negotiating committee will focus more on improving our work rules and less on pay/retirement.

Question for the HAL folks. Where do most commuters commute to? If given the opportunity to get on at HAL I would most likely want to move to HNL(to realize my dream of not commuting) but I've been doing research on COL and of course as you all know already that's an incredible eye opener. I currently live in South Florida to give you perspective. Thanks in advance gents.

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the only way they'll know to do that is if we all let them know that Quality of Life is our priority. HAL pilots are typically some of the most productive pilots among the Legacies (Continental being the other), which is a win for the company... it's not going to be easy, but we need to make it so we work less and get paid more, to put it simply. Better rigs, better reserve rules (long and short call, with more days off on both), and better Vacation / Training month rules. We also need to get the guys off the idea that for every gain we get, we have to give something back... we're not in a concessionary environment, but a lot of our pilots haven't known anything else, and they are still programmed to give back... there should be little to no give back in contact 2015.

Let Doug know this is important, or he'll just hear from the 90/hr month guys and think all we want is an hourly pay raise.

As to whether HAL offers a great career at this stage in the game or not, I'll leave history to be written by events. I for one have learned that the most dangerous thing a pilot can do is drink the Koolaid, but that's just me. Count your chicks before they hatch, etc..

Anyone wanting to work here needs to just do their own research. The question isn't weather this is a good place to work, as it most undoubtedly is... the question is whether it's too late to ride the growth here.

On that note, I'm done here.

Anyone in the know: can you help me with post #1014? Cheers!

Yeah Bro, why you gotta be like that. HA will always be among the best. Im gonna do my best to get on here in the next couple o years when everyone is in a free for all. I hear guys sayin it might be interesting for all the airlines trying to hire talent. Maybe HA with the cost of living problems that was mentioned earlier and the growth coming up might make it more interesting. I don't care tho, I'm gonna make it my no. 1 goal.

You are still in the running until you hear of interviews. Don't count yourself out quite yet. On the inter-island side we are running a bit short on FOs (can't speak to the WW staffing), and if they decide to hire in the near term, it will be from the current pool... Good luck!

Thank you Sidestep, your insight is much appreciated!

"Truth be told, your last statement may be valid for the younger senior guys on our list, but if you're an older guy hired after 2011, a combined seniority list with American or Delta will mean a much faster upgrade due to massive retirements at those carriers. "

Cat 3,

I'm afraid I'd have to question this thought, not because I don't respect you professionally, but because I've lived through some of this before. All bets are off, and pure greed takes over, following any seniority list integration. Lawsuits continue for years afterwords, and nobody is happy. Assets get moved around, contracts countermanded and controverted, arbitrators obligated one way or the other....no one can ever really predict the outcome EXCEPT most people will be unhappy! The BEST POSSIBLE outcome for those on the HA seniority list is to remain strong, independent, and profitable!