Needed: 500,000 Pilots 7/13/2012
07-15-2012, 10:41 AM
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Campaign For Nursing's Future - Pediatric Nurses - YouTube
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There's two links I found in all of about 2 minutes of searching about what a company like J&J is doing to educate young people about nursing.
Remember this British Airways commercial from last year?
British Airways Advert 2011: To Fly. To Serve. (HD) - YouTube
Probably one of the best pilot-centric commercials ever made.
Do you think we would EVER see the ATA or the RAA put out a commercial campaign like J&J's or this British Airways commercial as part of a campaign to attract our nation's best and brightest into the profession? Ha! IMO, it would be a cold day in hell before we saw any of those organizations promote aviators in a positive light. The ATA and the RAA HATE pilots. Airline management HATES pilots. Airline consultants and bloggers like Swelbar HATE pilots. Can you imagine Hulas or Bedford ever willingly taking part in any sort of campaign like that? And therein lies a big part of the problem, doesn't it?
Discover Nursing | Campaign for Nursing
There's two links I found in all of about 2 minutes of searching about what a company like J&J is doing to educate young people about nursing.
Remember this British Airways commercial from last year?
British Airways Advert 2011: To Fly. To Serve. (HD) - YouTube
Probably one of the best pilot-centric commercials ever made.
Do you think we would EVER see the ATA or the RAA put out a commercial campaign like J&J's or this British Airways commercial as part of a campaign to attract our nation's best and brightest into the profession? Ha! IMO, it would be a cold day in hell before we saw any of those organizations promote aviators in a positive light. The ATA and the RAA HATE pilots. Airline management HATES pilots. Airline consultants and bloggers like Swelbar HATE pilots. Can you imagine Hulas or Bedford ever willingly taking part in any sort of campaign like that? And therein lies a big part of the problem, doesn't it?
07-15-2012, 11:19 AM
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For the people posting about how many FAA commercial certificates and ATPs have been issued in the past years are missing the point. How many students from India, China, etc. are in those numbers. A LOT! I personally know probably 50+ people with commercial certificates and only 3-4 are working 121. Most are not even working as a pilot they just got the commercial for an insurance break.
While I do not put faith in a massive shortage of pilots. I do think demand is going up from where it has been for the next few decades. The world population is still growing and not shrinking. People are still going to fly unless theres world nuclear war and then it will not matter!
While I do not put faith in a massive shortage of pilots. I do think demand is going up from where it has been for the next few decades. The world population is still growing and not shrinking. People are still going to fly unless theres world nuclear war and then it will not matter!
07-15-2012, 11:53 AM
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WASHINGTON, D.C. — Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Administrator Michael Huerta today announced that the FAA will propose to raise the mandatory retirement age for U.S. commercial pilots from 65 to 67. Speaking before pilots and aviation experts at the National Press Club, Huerta said that the agency plans to propose adopting the new International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) standard that allows one pilot to be up to age 67 provided the other pilot is under age 60.
The FAA plans to issue a formal Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) later this year and will publish a final rule after careful consideration of all public comments, as required by law.
“A pilot’s experience counts — it’s an added margin of safety,” said Huerta. “Foreign airlines have demonstrated that experienced pilots in good health can fly beyond age 65 without compromising safety.”
On July 1, 2012, Administrator Huerta established a group of airline, labor and medical experts to recommend whether the United States should adopt the new ICAO standard and determine what actions would be necessary if the FAA were to change its rule. The Age 65 Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) did not reach a consensus recommendation but did provide detailed insight and analysis that will be helpful as the FAA develops a rule.
Since 1959, the FAA has required that all U.S. pilots stop flying commercial airplanes at age 60. In November 2006, ICAO, the United Nations’ aviation organization, increased the upper age limit for pilots to age 65, provided that the other pilot is under age 60. On December 13, 2012, President Bush signed into law the "Fair Treatment of Experienced Pilots Act," establishing age 65 as the mandatory pilot retirement age.
The July 1, 2012 Age 65 ARC report, appendices, and public comments are available online at Regulations.gov, docket number 26139.
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The FAA plans to issue a formal Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) later this year and will publish a final rule after careful consideration of all public comments, as required by law.
“A pilot’s experience counts — it’s an added margin of safety,” said Huerta. “Foreign airlines have demonstrated that experienced pilots in good health can fly beyond age 65 without compromising safety.”
On July 1, 2012, Administrator Huerta established a group of airline, labor and medical experts to recommend whether the United States should adopt the new ICAO standard and determine what actions would be necessary if the FAA were to change its rule. The Age 65 Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) did not reach a consensus recommendation but did provide detailed insight and analysis that will be helpful as the FAA develops a rule.
Since 1959, the FAA has required that all U.S. pilots stop flying commercial airplanes at age 60. In November 2006, ICAO, the United Nations’ aviation organization, increased the upper age limit for pilots to age 65, provided that the other pilot is under age 60. On December 13, 2012, President Bush signed into law the "Fair Treatment of Experienced Pilots Act," establishing age 65 as the mandatory pilot retirement age.
The July 1, 2012 Age 65 ARC report, appendices, and public comments are available online at Regulations.gov, docket number 26139.
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07-15-2012, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotor2prop
For the people posting about how many FAA commercial certificates and ATPs have been issued in the past years are missing the point. How many students from India, China, etc. are in those numbers. A LOT! I personally know probably 50+ people with commercial certificates and only 3-4 are working 121. Most are not even working as a pilot they just got the commercial for an insurance break.
While I do not put faith in a massive shortage of pilots. I do think demand is going up from where it has been for the next few decades. The world population is still growing and not shrinking. People are still going to fly unless theres world nuclear war and then it will not matter!
While I do not put faith in a massive shortage of pilots. I do think demand is going up from where it has been for the next few decades. The world population is still growing and not shrinking. People are still going to fly unless theres world nuclear war and then it will not matter!
07-15-2012, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Administrator Michael Huerta today announced that the FAA will propose to raise the mandatory retirement age for U.S. commercial pilots from 65 to 67. Speaking before pilots and aviation experts at the National Press Club, Huerta said that the agency plans to propose adopting the new International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) standard that allows one pilot to be up to age 67 provided the other pilot is under age 60.
The FAA plans to issue a formal Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) later this year and will publish a final rule after careful consideration of all public comments, as required by law.
“A pilot’s experience counts — it’s an added margin of safety,” said Huerta. “Foreign airlines have demonstrated that experienced pilots in good health can fly beyond age 65 without compromising safety.”
On July 1, 2012, Administrator Huerta established a group of airline, labor and medical experts to recommend whether the United States should adopt the new ICAO standard and determine what actions would be necessary if the FAA were to change its rule. The Age 65 Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) did not reach a consensus recommendation but did provide detailed insight and analysis that will be helpful as the FAA develops a rule.
Since 1959, the FAA has required that all U.S. pilots stop flying commercial airplanes at age 60. In November 2006, ICAO, the United Nations’ aviation organization, increased the upper age limit for pilots to age 65, provided that the other pilot is under age 60. On December 13, 2012, President Bush signed into law the "Fair Treatment of Experienced Pilots Act," establishing age 65 as the mandatory pilot retirement age.
The July 1, 2012 Age 65 ARC report, appendices, and public comments are available online at Regulations.gov, docket number 26139.
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The FAA plans to issue a formal Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) later this year and will publish a final rule after careful consideration of all public comments, as required by law.
“A pilot’s experience counts — it’s an added margin of safety,” said Huerta. “Foreign airlines have demonstrated that experienced pilots in good health can fly beyond age 65 without compromising safety.”
On July 1, 2012, Administrator Huerta established a group of airline, labor and medical experts to recommend whether the United States should adopt the new ICAO standard and determine what actions would be necessary if the FAA were to change its rule. The Age 65 Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) did not reach a consensus recommendation but did provide detailed insight and analysis that will be helpful as the FAA develops a rule.
Since 1959, the FAA has required that all U.S. pilots stop flying commercial airplanes at age 60. In November 2006, ICAO, the United Nations’ aviation organization, increased the upper age limit for pilots to age 65, provided that the other pilot is under age 60. On December 13, 2012, President Bush signed into law the "Fair Treatment of Experienced Pilots Act," establishing age 65 as the mandatory pilot retirement age.
The July 1, 2012 Age 65 ARC report, appendices, and public comments are available online at Regulations.gov, docket number 26139.
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07-15-2012, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Mink
This industry is so f#$%ed. As proven in the article above, IF there were an actual pilot shortage looming, the government and the companies would wriggle and squirm their way into creating their own reality - a reality which would make any shortage of truly qualified pilots magically disappear.
. Nothing to worry about.I don't foresee an age 67 rule in the future...it's hard enough for guys to make it to age 65. I think for planning purposes Delta uses an average retirement age of 62.5. It's hard to keep a medical as you get older.
07-15-2012, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
WASHINGTON, D.C. — Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) Administrator Michael Huerta today announced that the FAA will propose to raise the mandatory retirement age for U.S. commercial pilots from 65 to 67. Speaking before pilots and aviation experts at the National Press Club, Huerta said that the agency plans to propose adopting the new International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO) standard that allows one pilot to be up to age 67 provided the other pilot is under age 60.
The FAA plans to issue a formal Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) later this year and will publish a final rule after careful consideration of all public comments, as required by law.
“A pilot’s experience counts — it’s an added margin of safety,” said Huerta. “Foreign airlines have demonstrated that experienced pilots in good health can fly beyond age 65 without compromising safety.”
On July 1, 2012, Administrator Huerta established a group of airline, labor and medical experts to recommend whether the United States should adopt the new ICAO standard and determine what actions would be necessary if the FAA were to change its rule. The Age 65 Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) did not reach a consensus recommendation but did provide detailed insight and analysis that will be helpful as the FAA develops a rule.
Since 1959, the FAA has required that all U.S. pilots stop flying commercial airplanes at age 60. In November 2006, ICAO, the United Nations’ aviation organization, increased the upper age limit for pilots to age 65, provided that the other pilot is under age 60. On December 13, 2012, President Bush signed into law the "Fair Treatment of Experienced Pilots Act," establishing age 65 as the mandatory pilot retirement age.
The July 1, 2012 Age 65 ARC report, appendices, and public comments are available online at Regulations.gov, docket number 26139.
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The FAA plans to issue a formal Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) later this year and will publish a final rule after careful consideration of all public comments, as required by law.
“A pilot’s experience counts — it’s an added margin of safety,” said Huerta. “Foreign airlines have demonstrated that experienced pilots in good health can fly beyond age 65 without compromising safety.”
On July 1, 2012, Administrator Huerta established a group of airline, labor and medical experts to recommend whether the United States should adopt the new ICAO standard and determine what actions would be necessary if the FAA were to change its rule. The Age 65 Aviation Rulemaking Committee (ARC) did not reach a consensus recommendation but did provide detailed insight and analysis that will be helpful as the FAA develops a rule.
Since 1959, the FAA has required that all U.S. pilots stop flying commercial airplanes at age 60. In November 2006, ICAO, the United Nations’ aviation organization, increased the upper age limit for pilots to age 65, provided that the other pilot is under age 60. On December 13, 2012, President Bush signed into law the "Fair Treatment of Experienced Pilots Act," establishing age 65 as the mandatory pilot retirement age.
The July 1, 2012 Age 65 ARC report, appendices, and public comments are available online at Regulations.gov, docket number 26139.
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This is a FAIL!!
You almost had me ELVIS. You just messed up a date!
Bush is signing a law into effect into the future, WOW!
07-15-2012, 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by globalexpress
The US could easily produce 2 or 3 times the number I quoted above (and probably more) given the appropriate lead time. It's not like we're "only" producing 8000 commercial pilots (for example) because there is a capacity restraint in the US. When US citizens are given the appropriate incentives to become pilots, I am sure that there will be plenty of existing (or new) flight schools to meet demand.
07-15-2012, 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
I was just joking...the above article is a fake, I just modified the FAA press release from when age 65 came out! . Nothing to worry about.
I don't foresee an age 67 rule in the future...it's hard enough for guys to make it to age 65. I think for planning purposes Delta uses an average retirement age of 62.5. It's hard to keep a medical as you get older.
. Nothing to worry about.I don't foresee an age 67 rule in the future...it's hard enough for guys to make it to age 65. I think for planning purposes Delta uses an average retirement age of 62.5. It's hard to keep a medical as you get older.
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