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Old 03-09-2014, 06:10 PM   #21  
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It's not about entitlement or laziness...for information on Atlas the long thread is fantastic, I believe the intent of this thread was for new hires to post their qualifications...which has had zero posts on topic, just a bunch of irrelevant banter about people not reading the other thread.
...and I'm not trying to make this a "stoning." If someone spent 15mins, an hour max, they'd get that answer from the long thread from starting with the newest thread and going backwards.

The answer the question has been from minimum time(military) to 10k ACMI-Heavy guys with plenty of RJ PIC and FO's. THERE'S NO RHYME OR REASON GUYS.. it's been stated several dozen times. Sorry, the thread just reminded of the new "handout-generation." It's disrespectful to those who spent the time.. Off soap box
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Old 03-09-2014, 06:39 PM   #22  
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Sorry, the thread just reminded of the new "handout-generation." It's disrespectful to those who spent the time.. Off soap box
It's a web forum. The entire point of the thing is to ask questions and discuss. Not everyone has hours to read through an 800+ page beast of a thread with a large amount of outdated information. Anyone doing that is simply wasting his or her time, and trust me, I've written quite a few posts in the megathread.

So, for those who want a rundown, here ya go:

-The company hires from all walks of life.
-The online test is 100 questions timed over 60 minutes. It's hard.
-It may take several weeks to hear back after the interview.
-The pool is competitive (highest scores get into class first).
-Training pay is $1600/month plus per diem.
-The company now provides travel to MIA for new-hires.
-Expect to be in Miami for roughly 2.5 months.
-Expect to be on training pay for 4 months (training pay extends through IOE).
-Probation is 12 months from your groundschool start date.
-Schedules change a lot.
-You owe the company 17 days of work each month.
-Reserve line holders can be extended an additional 3 days involuntarily.
-Regular/Hybrid/VTO line holders can only be extended to protect the operation.
-CRT (Calculated Rig Time) starts at report time on the first day, and extends until you're released into R1 (residence reserve), days off, or training.
-CRT is paid at a ratio of 4.95:1, which equates to 4.85 hours of pay for every 24 hour period.
-Pay protection does not exist here. You're paid what you work. Getting sent home early off your trip to sit R1 results in pay loss compared to your awarded trip value. Hopefully will change in the next CBA.
-We are currently DOS+2 on pay rates.
-Training is credited at 3.65 hours per day. CRT does not apply.
-Vacation is worth 3.65 hours per day, and will be paid out if it falls on days off.

That should get everyone started...
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It's a web forum. The entire point of the thing is to ask questions and discuss. Not everyone has hours to read through an 800+ page beast of a thread with a large amount of outdated information....
That should get everyone started...
Nice post.
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Old 03-09-2014, 06:55 PM   #24  
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Nice post.
Thanks, and to add: I had a senior guy here use the "handout generation" argument to tell me that I was entitled for wanting improvements in 2016. Can't make this stuff up. Hence, why I twitch anytime someone at Atlas uses that term.
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Old 03-09-2014, 07:33 PM   #25  
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It's a web forum. The entire point of the thing is to ask questions and discuss. Not everyone has hours to read through an 800+ page beast of a thread with a large amount of outdated information. Anyone doing that is simply wasting his or her time, and trust me, I've written quite a few posts in the megathread.

So, for those who want a rundown, here ya go:

-The company hires from all walks of life.
-The online test is 100 questions timed over 60 minutes. It's hard.
-It may take several weeks to hear back after the interview.
-The pool is competitive (highest scores get into class first).
-Training pay is $1600/month plus per diem.
-The company now provides travel to MIA for new-hires.
-Expect to be in Miami for roughly 2.5 months.
-Expect to be on training pay for 4 months (training pay extends through IOE).
-Probation is 12 months from your groundschool start date.
-Schedules change a lot.
-You owe the company 17 days of work each month.
-Reserve line holders can be extended an additional 3 days involuntarily.
-Regular/Hybrid/VTO line holders can only be extended to protect the operation.
-CRT (Calculated Rig Time) starts at report time on the first day, and extends until you're released into R1 (residence reserve), days off, or training.
-CRT is paid at a ratio of 4.95:1, which equates to 4.85 hours of pay for every 24 hour period.
-Pay protection does not exist here. You're paid what you work. Getting sent home early off your trip to sit R1 results in pay loss compared to your awarded trip value. Hopefully will change in the next CBA.
-We are currently DOS+2 on pay rates.
-Training is credited at 3.65 hours per day. CRT does not apply.
-Vacation is worth 3.65 hours per day, and will be paid out if it falls on days off.

That should get everyone started...
Thanks for the update. Now back to the "Atlas" thread. And yes, I posted a message early on and was given the "thread" *itch slap. But you know, there really is something to that I've learned. I don't know, it's almost a right of passage to have read the old thread. Just saying.

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Old 03-09-2014, 08:16 PM   #26  
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Thanks for the update. Now back to the "Atlas" thread. And yes, I posted a message early on and was given the "thread" *itch slap. But you know, there really is something to that I've learned. I don't know, it's almost a right of passage to have read the old thread. Just saying.
Nah, it's not a rite of passage. There's nothing about working here that's any different than any other ACMI job. It's overall a good place to work; just make sure you and your family can handle 17 day trips, you budget to min guarantee each month, and that you read and fly the CBA when you get onboard. Good luck.
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Nah, it's not a rite of passage. There's nothing about working here that's any different than any other ACMI job. It's overall a good place to work; just make sure you and your family can handle 17 day trips, you budget to min guarantee each month, and that you read and fly the CBA when you get onboard. Good luck.
Dude you have no idea. I would love this. This is like the C-17 missions I flew but from the civilian stand point. No TACC, great places to stay, better crew rest requirements, a chance to unpack between trips. Wow....I would love it.
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Old 03-09-2014, 08:50 PM   #28  
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Dude you have no idea. I would love this. This is like the C-17 missions I flew but from the civilian stand point. No TACC, great places to stay, better crew rest requirements, a chance to unpack between trips. Wow....I would love it.
Good deal...hope you get onboard.

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Old 03-09-2014, 09:20 PM   #29  
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Good deal...hope you get onboard.

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LOL. Sorry, a bad habit. How about if I say trips? Spoke with Amy at the WIA conference, everything I knew about Atlas was reinforced.....I'm hoping for my chance.
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nightip, didn't know you were such a cat hater!?!?!

still, great poster...just the kind to start a whirl of caca on social media(s) from the peta lovers.....well done!!!!

nice synopsis of our 'cba' as well.....
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