Pathway - AS to QX in tough times?
06-01-2018 | 12:51 PM
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That Pathways program is not even close to a flow. Horizon pilots dont get any longevity. They are no different than any other new hire pilot. Seniority and longevity begin on day 1 when they are hired
by Alaska and start class at Alaska. Pathways basically says if you behave at Horizon....don't call in sick, don't call on fatigued, don't say no to crew scheduling, and allow Alaska Airlines to monitor your entire FAA record and your Horizon Air record before you are employed by Alaska then you wont have to interview again.
by Alaska and start class at Alaska. Pathways basically says if you behave at Horizon....don't call in sick, don't call on fatigued, don't say no to crew scheduling, and allow Alaska Airlines to monitor your entire FAA record and your Horizon Air record before you are employed by Alaska then you wont have to interview again.
06-01-2018 | 11:36 PM
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Thanks a lot - I’m tracking on the essence of the Pathways program (although it sounds like the opportunity to move onto to AS from QX could be even more legitimate than I realized so thanks for all you shared), but I wasn’t sure about the one element (potential to roll back to QX after AS hire if a bad moon rose), but everyone has been a great help in making it clear that dog won’t hunt!
That Pathways program is not even close to a flow. Horizon pilots dont get any longevity. They are no different than any other new hire pilot. Seniority and longevity begin on day 1 when they are hired
by Alaska and start class at Alaska. Pathways basically says if you behave at Horizon....don't call in sick, don't call on fatigued, don't say no to crew scheduling, and allow Alaska Airlines to monitor your entire FAA record and your Horizon Air record before you are employed by Alaska then you wont have to interview again.
by Alaska and start class at Alaska. Pathways basically says if you behave at Horizon....don't call in sick, don't call on fatigued, don't say no to crew scheduling, and allow Alaska Airlines to monitor your entire FAA record and your Horizon Air record before you are employed by Alaska then you wont have to interview again.
06-03-2018 | 06:27 AM
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Envoy flowing up is nothing compared to AA flowing down.
06-03-2018 | 09:52 AM
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Thanks a lot - I’m tracking on the essence of the Pathways program (although it sounds like the opportunity to move onto to AS from QX could be even more legitimate than I realized so thanks for all you shared), but I wasn’t sure about the one element (potential to roll back to QX after AS hire if a bad moon rose), but everyone has been a great help in making it clear that dog won’t hunt!
06-03-2018 | 02:06 PM
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To be honest that doesn't even sound that bad. In my case ideally I'd like to get 1000h 121 pic before I move on. In the meantime it'll improve qol because more senior captains will be moving on to AS. Not that I'm hoping that it'll take longer than necessary..
06-05-2018 | 01:37 AM
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Thanks and I understand. The positive I see is that there’s movement to AS period, albeit on whatever timeline may transpire; too many of these programs smell like nothing but recruiting tools for the regional and allow for the possibility of not getting any real opportunity with the mainline carrier at all. QX may be able to meter when & how many of their pilots enter the pool, but AS is contractually obligated to make 30% of the AS hires be from QX, right?
The element nobody is recognizing or stating. The pathways program puts you in seniority based pool for only 30 percent of the pilot positions that Alaska will offer. The other 70 percent will be selected from an outside candidate pool. For example, I hear 150+ people are in the QX/30 pool curently. It wouldn't be unheard of to have 300 in the pool by the end of the year. Keep in mind QX opening up the interview process for the QX/30 is at the company discretion. AS has marked a goal of 150 pilots next year. Best case scenario 3-6 years to get a shot at AS position.
06-05-2018 | 12:32 PM
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I think the 30% figure is just a goal, not any kind of contractually agreed-upon number. I'm not aware of any recent company information showing exactly how many Horizon pilots have moved on to Alaska. I think the actual number in 2017 (2016?) was closer to 26%. About 100 or so pilots have signed up for the program.
I am not a fan of flow-through programs or the Pathways program, but I wouldn't try to talk anyone out of it. The parameters of the program are so vaguely defined (and the record-sharing requirements so intrusive) that pilots can be rejected for any reason. On the other hand... most of the pilots that apply are getting accepted. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that had a negative experience with the program.
I am not a fan of flow-through programs or the Pathways program, but I wouldn't try to talk anyone out of it. The parameters of the program are so vaguely defined (and the record-sharing requirements so intrusive) that pilots can be rejected for any reason. On the other hand... most of the pilots that apply are getting accepted. I'd be interested in hearing from anyone that had a negative experience with the program.
06-05-2018 | 07:38 PM
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It seems that the acceptance rate into the Pathways Program is high. But that has little to do with actually getting hired by Alaska Airlines. There is no contractual requirement to hire any QX pilots. The 30% number was used to help Horizon with attrition. Alaska has since said that it is their goal
06-06-2018 | 11:50 AM
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Yep, there is no official contract for this program. "Alaska Airlines commits to hiring at least 30%...." is all that is stated on the pathways web page. A commitment is like a politician making a pledge during a campaign. And we know how those turn out. 
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