Horizon's New Guaranteed Interview
05-04-2016, 06:11 PM
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Horizon's New Guaranteed Interview
Did anyone else catch the announcement of Alaska's new guaranteed interview program for Horizon pilots? I am curious to hear everyone's thoughts. I have some concerns about the requirement to sign over all training and employment records. Why can't they just use PRIA info like everyone else?
05-04-2016, 07:41 PM
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That's right kids! If you're willing to sign over your private employee records, after 4 years of flying 7 leg days in a Q400 you might (might!) have a shot at working for the worlds most arrogant, lowest paid 737 operator and low cost carrier **ALASKA**!
This is the biggest slap in the face to Horizon yet. We've been making Air Group hundreds of millions of dollars over the years and they expect us to jump through all these extra hoops just for the mere chance of being part of "30% of the hiring."
So if you're a skywest, compass, or military pilot etc. you can skip all of this. Save your dignity and privacy and be part of the 70% who don't have to put up with this bull sh*t.
This is the biggest slap in the face to Horizon yet. We've been making Air Group hundreds of millions of dollars over the years and they expect us to jump through all these extra hoops just for the mere chance of being part of "30% of the hiring."
So if you're a skywest, compass, or military pilot etc. you can skip all of this. Save your dignity and privacy and be part of the 70% who don't have to put up with this bull sh*t.
05-05-2016, 07:08 AM
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I was applying for another job a few years ago and was curious about "what kind" of records the company had on me. The answer? Pretty much everything. The company keeps at least three types of files on every pilot. The training records are available through PRIA. The other files contain routine stuff like yearly pay bumps and non-routine stuff like "coaching" (including a record of a discussion I had with one of the Assistant Chief Pilots regarding a fatigue call). My record was pretty clean, but there's a couple of guys here that probably have their own filing cabinet.
For years, there's been ugly rumors that Horizon has been sharing a record of fatigue calls and sick leave use with Alaska. I discussed the fatigue call issue with one of our safety program guys, but he was unable to determine whether this was happening (or not).
As others have pointed out, it's outrageous for Horizon pilots to have to supply any additional records that would NOT be required for applicants from other airlines or the military.
For years, there's been ugly rumors that Horizon has been sharing a record of fatigue calls and sick leave use with Alaska. I discussed the fatigue call issue with one of our safety program guys, but he was unable to determine whether this was happening (or not).
As others have pointed out, it's outrageous for Horizon pilots to have to supply any additional records that would NOT be required for applicants from other airlines or the military.
05-05-2016, 10:16 AM
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From OYH site:
"All pilots will be given the opportunity to sign an agreement that allows Alaska Airlines to review a pilot’s training and employment records." Excuse me??? I don't know on what planet this is "Okay", but outside of normal records available through PRIA/etc...there shouldn't be any reviewing of my employment records. Other airlines, Delta/UAL/AA wouldn't be reviewing those records, so Alaska certainly has no business doing it. I'm quite sure they're not reviewing the employment records of Skywest/Compass/Endeavour pilot's they hire. This needs to be addressed ASAP. "
"A guaranteed interview is a small step in the right direction, but not enough. Frankly, no prospective pilot is going to sign up for three or four years in the right seat of the Q400 just because they might one day, maybe (maybe!) get an interview with Alaska. It's like a grocery store offering a "2-for-1" special on kitty litter. Only works if you have a cat. If the Air Group is serious about attracting highly qualified applicants, they should do the following: (1) Start all new hires at $40 an hour. (2) Get rid of the "seat lock" for First Officers. Right now, no one will come here because they don't want to get stuck in the Q400. (3) Offer a guaranteed FLOW THROUGH to Alaska Air, open to all interested Horizon pilots. See? I just solved your pilot shortage issue... You're welcome. :-) "
"So you're telling me that AS guarantees 70% of the classes to be filled with Skywest, Compass, Endeavor and military pilots. Sorry, I just pulled an old corporate accounting trick..........."
"So QX pilots are now expected to sign over records that no employer in their right mind will voluntarily release to another company, all for the chance of *maybe* getting an interview that *might* lead to a job offer? I can only assume this means that anyone applying from Compass or Skywest is also forced to hand over their employment and medical records as well."
"A guaranteed interview is a far cry from a flow agreement. "
"It has been said that Horizon has already been sharing pilot training and employment records with AS, something they would never share with another airline. The request for Horizon pilots to sign a waiver would just be an attempt to allow this practice to continue with our blessing. Count me out on that one. This smacks of an outrageous AS corporate arrogance. I believe they will choke on this arrogance as they drag their feet in the pilot recruitment department, trying to commit as little as possible in their effort to ensure a steady flow of pilots to AAG."
"I'm somehow missing the point here. I have to be. Why would this be even offered. It will make very few happy and is a bit of a slap in the face to the rest. "
"We have a lot of very well qualified pilots here at QX whose only limitation keeping them from getting an interview at AS is not having a 4 year degree. In this pilot shortage environment, can Alaska really afford to uphold that for much longer? How about getting rid of that requirement for QX applicants? That seems like an easy enough concession to make at this point. Particularly considering that, unless a miracle happens, they will have to flush that requirement later anyways? Seems like a good thing to do now, while there still are pilots left."
"Dear Mr. -------... I was just about to send one of my typical comments when I realized it wouldn't do any good. Sir, I know you are doing everything you can to promote the hard working and devoted pilots at Horizon. It's just really unfortunate the people associated with hiring pilots at Alaska don't realize how much they demean Horizon pilots with their "jumping through hoops" attitude. Horizon pilots shouldn't even have to sit through an interview... And they definitely shouldn't have to schmooze the HR department at Alaska Airlines.
"
"As long time air group contributors, our qualified employees should be preferred candidates for openings at Alaska. Here instead, we are subjecting QX employees applying at Alaska to extra scrutiny that no outside candidate would be subject to. I wonder if there aren't some legality concerns here as well. What a missed opportunity to treat Horizon employees as valued members of air group. "
"So, if you would really want a career at Alaska and have not be subjected to scrunity, and be forced to sign off your right to privacy afforded to the other 70% of applicants, your in effect saying your chances are better going to Skywest, Compass, etc to improve your chances to 70% vs 30%. Lost our 401k match, why? Industry standard. Needed to adjust our jet pay, why? Industry standard. Flow through becoming the industry standard yet AAG just asked you or forced you to sign this over the top release to cover their butts legally if you want a chance. Wow!!! This will not become an industry standard in the least. Thanks, but no thanks. Thanks for all you do now, sign here. What's that stock symbol for Horizon Air again oh yeah ALK. "
"All pilots will be given the opportunity to sign an agreement that allows Alaska Airlines to review a pilot’s training and employment records." Excuse me??? I don't know on what planet this is "Okay", but outside of normal records available through PRIA/etc...there shouldn't be any reviewing of my employment records. Other airlines, Delta/UAL/AA wouldn't be reviewing those records, so Alaska certainly has no business doing it. I'm quite sure they're not reviewing the employment records of Skywest/Compass/Endeavour pilot's they hire. This needs to be addressed ASAP. "
"A guaranteed interview is a small step in the right direction, but not enough. Frankly, no prospective pilot is going to sign up for three or four years in the right seat of the Q400 just because they might one day, maybe (maybe!) get an interview with Alaska. It's like a grocery store offering a "2-for-1" special on kitty litter. Only works if you have a cat. If the Air Group is serious about attracting highly qualified applicants, they should do the following: (1) Start all new hires at $40 an hour. (2) Get rid of the "seat lock" for First Officers. Right now, no one will come here because they don't want to get stuck in the Q400. (3) Offer a guaranteed FLOW THROUGH to Alaska Air, open to all interested Horizon pilots. See? I just solved your pilot shortage issue... You're welcome. :-) "
"So you're telling me that AS guarantees 70% of the classes to be filled with Skywest, Compass, Endeavor and military pilots. Sorry, I just pulled an old corporate accounting trick..........."
"So QX pilots are now expected to sign over records that no employer in their right mind will voluntarily release to another company, all for the chance of *maybe* getting an interview that *might* lead to a job offer? I can only assume this means that anyone applying from Compass or Skywest is also forced to hand over their employment and medical records as well."
"A guaranteed interview is a far cry from a flow agreement. "
"It has been said that Horizon has already been sharing pilot training and employment records with AS, something they would never share with another airline. The request for Horizon pilots to sign a waiver would just be an attempt to allow this practice to continue with our blessing. Count me out on that one. This smacks of an outrageous AS corporate arrogance. I believe they will choke on this arrogance as they drag their feet in the pilot recruitment department, trying to commit as little as possible in their effort to ensure a steady flow of pilots to AAG."
"I'm somehow missing the point here. I have to be. Why would this be even offered. It will make very few happy and is a bit of a slap in the face to the rest. "
"We have a lot of very well qualified pilots here at QX whose only limitation keeping them from getting an interview at AS is not having a 4 year degree. In this pilot shortage environment, can Alaska really afford to uphold that for much longer? How about getting rid of that requirement for QX applicants? That seems like an easy enough concession to make at this point. Particularly considering that, unless a miracle happens, they will have to flush that requirement later anyways? Seems like a good thing to do now, while there still are pilots left."
"Dear Mr. -------... I was just about to send one of my typical comments when I realized it wouldn't do any good. Sir, I know you are doing everything you can to promote the hard working and devoted pilots at Horizon. It's just really unfortunate the people associated with hiring pilots at Alaska don't realize how much they demean Horizon pilots with their "jumping through hoops" attitude. Horizon pilots shouldn't even have to sit through an interview... And they definitely shouldn't have to schmooze the HR department at Alaska Airlines.
"
"As long time air group contributors, our qualified employees should be preferred candidates for openings at Alaska. Here instead, we are subjecting QX employees applying at Alaska to extra scrutiny that no outside candidate would be subject to. I wonder if there aren't some legality concerns here as well. What a missed opportunity to treat Horizon employees as valued members of air group. "
"So, if you would really want a career at Alaska and have not be subjected to scrunity, and be forced to sign off your right to privacy afforded to the other 70% of applicants, your in effect saying your chances are better going to Skywest, Compass, etc to improve your chances to 70% vs 30%. Lost our 401k match, why? Industry standard. Needed to adjust our jet pay, why? Industry standard. Flow through becoming the industry standard yet AAG just asked you or forced you to sign this over the top release to cover their butts legally if you want a chance. Wow!!! This will not become an industry standard in the least. Thanks, but no thanks. Thanks for all you do now, sign here. What's that stock symbol for Horizon Air again oh yeah ALK. "
05-05-2016, 09:59 PM
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I think the absolute sham that has been pulled on the Horizon employees is finally surfacing.......It does not matter at all that The Alaska Air Group owns you.....They have strung you along to keep you feeling all warm and fuzzy all these years......Their actions are what Horizon employees should pay attention to not their schmarmy words.....You guys work for a regional airline called Horizon with a separate certificate......You are selling yourselves short buying into the I am Alaska crap.....
05-05-2016, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Klsytakesit
You are selling yourselves short buying into the I am Alaska crap.....
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