It's bad news. We've had this problem before and have settled with the company on this grievance. They are now ignoring their agreement. The next steps may not be pleasant for the company. Unfortunately, we are in the middle of sec 6 negotiations so I suspect the company will use this violation of our contract as a bargaining chip. We'll see, but it smacks of our management being disingenuous.

Again the bottom line is the RLA makes unions almost powerless.

 

you can take care of the pax, and take care of the pilots at the same time.

 

David never said that the 190 was a RJ. He said that you were a RJ pilot because of the pay on the 190, therfore he is correct!

 

Right on! ALPA will sell you out...

 

You obviously don’t know how unions work if you think that “ALPA” can sell you out. Whatever union you are in, it is the members AT THAT airline that meets, elects to office and votes on matters of THAT airline. If your brethren at that airline votes to screw the junior guys they would screw them whether they are ALPA or any other union at that airline. There are things not to like in ALPA but that is a different subject. You have to look at the membership of your airline to determine if you have a competent union. It’s what’s inside that counts.

 

I'm sure this has been brought up before, but why did they decide to go with 190s instead of 319s, or even 318s for that matter? It doesn't make any sense to me to double the parts and training for an unproven aircraft. I wonder if someone somewhere is kicking himself yet.

 

EDC,

I'm guessing B757200ER's comments were in direct relationship to Duane Woerth and ALPA National turning their back on one of it's oldest members, TWA when they were being integrated in American Airline's seniority. I think B757200ER is very aware of the workings of a union.

However, I agree with the spirit of your post, that a union is as good as the members within and the resources provided by "Big Brother".

Thanks for the large font on your posting, I could read it without my cheaters !!

 

Your own local leadership (whether it is an MEC a Teamster's local or independent) is who will Perform the percieved "Selling out".

Elect good leadership and keep them honest.

BTW B757 have had this dicussion before, I think the Indidvidual TWA Pilot got a raw deal in the integration, but it was the TWA MEC voted to void the Scope/Successorship clause of the TWA Pilot contract. I know they were stong armed by APA and AMR managment as a prerequisite to proceed with the merger. Apparently the TWA MEC thought they were better off taking their chances with a staple job. I really have no commnet on what the TWA pilots chances were or were not during merger discussions with AMR, but I do know that it was the TWA MEC who agreed to Voiding the protection afforded them under their contract, Not anyone from ALPA National. In truth if TWA had been represented by the Teamsters or their own independent Union and the TWA leadership had done the same thing (voided their scope/successordhip clause) , the same or worse results would have occurred.

The sad truth is Without that contractual clause, AMR could have fired all the TWA pilots.


It is always easy to point fingers. It is harder to accept the reality you were sold out by your Pilot group's elected leaders.

 

This is a detail that is missed by too many "I hate ALPA" guys I meet.. they just don't get that ALPA is them..

 

Well said, David.