Reserve rule question
10-24-2017, 06:56 AM
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Reserve rule question
Have a question for those with experience on reserve. I've been searching through the FSM but can't find a solid answer.
Scenario:
3 day block of reserve. Scheduling assigns you a 3 day trip on day 1 that ends early AM on day 3. Due to delays you don't finish until approx 3am on day 3. Can you be assigned a SCL block 10 hours later on the same calendar day and go fly again?
I was told by a couple guys I've flown with in the past that you can't go back on short call after flying a trip until the next calendar day. I also thought we had a rule about same day assignments, but I'm sitting here with a SCL assignment, even though I already technically flew today (Albeit very early AM). I can't seem to find anything in the FSM about it.
Scenario:
3 day block of reserve. Scheduling assigns you a 3 day trip on day 1 that ends early AM on day 3. Due to delays you don't finish until approx 3am on day 3. Can you be assigned a SCL block 10 hours later on the same calendar day and go fly again?
I was told by a couple guys I've flown with in the past that you can't go back on short call after flying a trip until the next calendar day. I also thought we had a rule about same day assignments, but I'm sitting here with a SCL assignment, even though I already technically flew today (Albeit very early AM). I can't seem to find anything in the FSM about it.
10-24-2017, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by AYLflyer
Have a question for those with experience on reserve. I've been searching through the FSM but can't find a solid answer.
Scenario:
3 day block of reserve. Scheduling assigns you a 3 day trip on day 1 that ends early AM on day 3. Due to delays you don't finish until approx 3am on day 3. Can you be assigned a SCL block 10 hours later on the same calendar day and go fly again?
I was told by a couple guys I've flown with in the past that you can't go back on short call after flying a trip until the next calendar day. I also thought we had a rule about same day assignments, but I'm sitting here with a SCL assignment, even though I already technically flew today (Albeit very early AM). I can't seem to find anything in the FSM about it.
Scenario:
3 day block of reserve. Scheduling assigns you a 3 day trip on day 1 that ends early AM on day 3. Due to delays you don't finish until approx 3am on day 3. Can you be assigned a SCL block 10 hours later on the same calendar day and go fly again?
I was told by a couple guys I've flown with in the past that you can't go back on short call after flying a trip until the next calendar day. I also thought we had a rule about same day assignments, but I'm sitting here with a SCL assignment, even though I already technically flew today (Albeit very early AM). I can't seem to find anything in the FSM about it.
10-24-2017, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by AYLflyer
Have a question for those with experience on reserve. I've been searching through the FSM but can't find a solid answer.
Scenario:
3 day block of reserve. Scheduling assigns you a 3 day trip on day 1 that ends early AM on day 3. Due to delays you don't finish until approx 3am on day 3. Can you be assigned a SCL block 10 hours later on the same calendar day and go fly again?
I was told by a couple guys I've flown with in the past that you can't go back on short call after flying a trip until the next calendar day. I also thought we had a rule about same day assignments, but I'm sitting here with a SCL assignment, even though I already technically flew today (Albeit very early AM). I can't seem to find anything in the FSM about it.
Scenario:
3 day block of reserve. Scheduling assigns you a 3 day trip on day 1 that ends early AM on day 3. Due to delays you don't finish until approx 3am on day 3. Can you be assigned a SCL block 10 hours later on the same calendar day and go fly again?
I was told by a couple guys I've flown with in the past that you can't go back on short call after flying a trip until the next calendar day. I also thought we had a rule about same day assignments, but I'm sitting here with a SCL assignment, even though I already technically flew today (Albeit very early AM). I can't seem to find anything in the FSM about it.
So they gave you a 3 day trip and you have 3 days of reserve and after that a day off?
If that is the case you are done when that trip ends. If it's 3 days. You don't owe them another reserve time.
That is if I understand exactly what you are saying.
10-24-2017, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by AYLflyer
Have a question for those with experience on reserve. I've been searching through the FSM but can't find a solid answer.
Scenario:
3 day block of reserve. Scheduling assigns you a 3 day trip on day 1 that ends early AM on day 3. Due to delays you don't finish until approx 3am on day 3. Can you be assigned a SCL block 10 hours later on the same calendar day and go fly again?
I was told by a couple guys I've flown with in the past that you can't go back on short call after flying a trip until the next calendar day. I also thought we had a rule about same day assignments, but I'm sitting here with a SCL assignment, even though I already technically flew today (Albeit very early AM). I can't seem to find anything in the FSM about it.
Scenario:
3 day block of reserve. Scheduling assigns you a 3 day trip on day 1 that ends early AM on day 3. Due to delays you don't finish until approx 3am on day 3. Can you be assigned a SCL block 10 hours later on the same calendar day and go fly again?
I was told by a couple guys I've flown with in the past that you can't go back on short call after flying a trip until the next calendar day. I also thought we had a rule about same day assignments, but I'm sitting here with a SCL assignment, even though I already technically flew today (Albeit very early AM). I can't seem to find anything in the FSM about it.
10-24-2017, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
So they gave you a 3 day trip and you have 3 days of reserve and after that a day off?
If that is the case you are done when that trip ends. If it's 3 days. You don't owe them another reserve time.
That is if I understand exactly what you are saying.
If that is the case you are done when that trip ends. If it's 3 days. You don't owe them another reserve time.
That is if I understand exactly what you are saying.
Yeah, sorry let me clarify this better. The footprint of the trip falls on my normal 3 day block of reserve days. I was called late on day 1 (5pm) and ended early AM on day 3. The trip did not go into my day off, it just ended super early day 3. So they assigned me SCL for later on the same day after a 10hr rest break.
10-24-2017, 07:36 AM
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Look at section D.14 then find the definition of red-eye period... Then make sure the scheduling committee knows about it... It was probably overlooked because the reserve period was legal as scheduled/assigned, but not as flown.
Last edited by launchpad; 10-24-2017 at 07:51 AM.
10-24-2017, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by AYLflyer
Yeah, sorry let me clarify this better. The footprint of the trip falls on my normal 3 day block of reserve days. I was called late on day 1 (5pm) and ended early AM on day 3. The trip did not go into my day off, it just ended super early day 3. So they assigned me SCL for later on the same day after a 10hr rest break.
I'm pretty sure you are done.
Did you call CS?
10-24-2017, 09:11 AM
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Reserve rule question
If you flew through a red-eye period as a reserve, you're not able to be assigned a pairing assignment until 0800L the NEXT calendar day. In your case that would be a day off. However, this only applies if you operate at least 2hrs inside a red-eye period (0100-0500). So if you duty-out 0300L or later, you're covered. If you duty-out 0259L or earlier, it's less than 2hrs so this provision wouldn't apply.
Last edited by captsurf; 10-24-2017 at 09:24 AM.
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