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Old 05-24-2007, 09:49 AM   #1  
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This new thread is a continuance of the "Alpa Fdx thread"... continue that discussion here.
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Old 05-24-2007, 10:24 AM   #2  
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Our MEC told him to do it.

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Should our MEC and ALPA national totally blow off what the majority of our membership want becuase it's the "right thing to do."

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Jolly,

The majority of our pilots said we wanted ALPA to be part of the process if the change was inevitable.
" ... the FedEx portion of the polling done by ALPA national. In that polling, just released to the Executive Board, the results indicated that 62 percent of FedEx pilots believed that, if the change to age 60 is imminent, ALPA should change its position to be able to take part in the political process so that we can defend our interests."



Did you want our MEC to blow off that majority?




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Jolly,

The majority of our pilots said we wanted ALPA to be part of the process if the change was in evitable.


Did you want our MEC to blow off that majority?

Tony, your least coherent response to date! Let's try this.
99.99999% of women don't want to be sexually assaulted but if the question is posed, "if it was inevitable, would you submit rather than be harmed"? And....80 % say yes. Then 80% of women would rather be raped than harmed. Nice twist! What they said was "do you want us to stick it to you"? and "If we stick it to you anyway, do you want something to say about how we stick it to you"?




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Jolly,

The majority of our pilots said we wanted ALPA to be part of the process if the change was in evitable.
" ... the FedEx portion of the polling done by ALPA national. In that polling, just released to the Executive Board, the results indicated that 62 percent of FedEx pilots believed that, if the change to age 60 is imminent, ALPA should change its position to be able to take part in the political process so that we can defend our interests."



Did you want our MEC to blow off that majority?




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Tony,

This makes about as much sense as your saying the Union doesn't have a RESPONSIBILITY to explain the contract they negotiated, that we should read it ourselves without their input...

Now you say the MEC can't "blow off the majority"......I don't know whose rose colored glasses your using but they need to be cleaned off.....
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Jolly,

The majority of our pilots said we wanted ALPA to be part of the process if the change was in evitable.


Did you want our MEC to blow off that majority?

Tony, your least coherent response to date! Let's try this.
99.99999% of women don't want to be sexually assaulted but if the question is posed, "if it was inevitable, would you submit rather than be harmed"? And....80 % say yes. Then 80% of women would rather be raped than harmed. Nice twist! What they said was "do you want us to stick it to you"? and "If we stick it to you anyway, do you want something to say about how we stick it to you"?



You seem to be confused. The Age 60 Rule will change, with or without us.





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"The majority of our pilots said we wanted ALPA to be part of the process if the change was in evitable."


Shack Aeris,

I feel misled the way this one question in the survey is being twisted into justification for anything.
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That is kind of like saying: Hey I'm going to rape your wife and knock her up but you can name the baby.

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Tony,

This makes about as much sense as your saying the Union doesn't have a RESPONSIBILITY to explain the contract they negotiated, that we should read it ourselves without their input...

Now you say the MEC can't "blow off the majority"......I don't know whose rose colored glasses your using but they need to be cleaned off.....

You're twisting what happened then, and you're twisting what I said now.

The Union didn't say they didn't have a responsibility to explain the contract -- they said they wouldn't be publishing a "Reader's Digest Condensed Version" of it, as that process caused more headaches than it solved the first time around. I don't think it's asking us too much to read the contract.

My response to JollyF15 was to turn his question around on him, using a different poll question. Citing the question about ALPA involvement if the change is inevitable, I asked if ALPA should ignore that majority. Either way they go, someone can use a statistic from the poll of FedEx pilots and accuse them of ignoring a majority. Get it?





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My frustration with the FDX MEC & the age 60 rule lies not with the fact that the rule is changing (or the decision for ALPA to switch positions) but rather with the fact that at last count, 70% of our pilots didn't want it to change. My understanding is that this was a number from several years ago, but that it still pretty much represents the general atmosphere of our crewmembers today. The MEC has thrown the "62% want us to be a part of the change" number around enough, but never came out and said what percentage of our crewmembers wanted us to stand up and fight against the change in the first place. To me, Captain Webb's vote for the change is essentially the same thing as if the majority of the citizen's of a state voted for one presidential candidate, but at the electoral college, the state's votes were cast for the other candidate "just because it looked like the other guy (or gal) was going to win". I would have supported the union on this if they had carried the majority's opinion about the change with him to the table and atleast tried to make a stand; I am awaiting a call from the MEC right now to find out what the exact percentage was of our crewmembers who don't or didn't want the change....if it is 50.1% or greater, I plan on resigning my ALPA membership effective this afternoon. UPDATE: Just got the call from the MEC and 66.1% of our pilots didn't/don't want the change! Looks like I'm gonig to become the very thing I hate the most...
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