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Old 01-21-2018 | 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by WhistlePig
I would hope by now everyone who travels for a living and frequently uses unsecured WiFi would use a VPN.
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Old 01-22-2018 | 05:23 AM
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Speaking of bets, I’ll assume mediation is off the table this week with the govt shutdown...

Bets on whether or not the company still wants to meet and play ball? Bets on whether or not they’ll make any sort of offer?


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Old 01-22-2018 | 09:46 AM
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If I was the company negotiator I’d put another full offer on the table without the mediator. This gives fhe company a positive leverage position as it shows good faith in presenting an offer in unmediated sessions and while there’s a picket at a major hub. I’d make sure the offer was about 70% of what AK/VA received but have it beat the Spirit AIP by just a little bit.

I hope this is what happens as it would be the catalyst that gets our negotiations movingly toward a positive close for both sides. Is till believe there is a lot of room on both sides to find success in an agreement.

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Old 01-22-2018 | 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by P-3Bubba
If I was the company negotiator I’d put another full offer on the table without the mediator. This gives fhe company a positive leverage position as it shows good faith in presenting an offer in unmediated sessions and while there’s a picket at a major hub. I’d make sure the offer was about 70% of what AK/VA received but have it beat the Spirit AIP by just a little bit.



I hope this is what happens as it would be the catalyst that gets our negotiations movingly toward a positive close for both sides. Is till believe there is a lot of room on both sides to find success in an agreement.



-Bubs


Agreed Bubs. While I’m not hopeful of any major progress this week, I think the fact that they were able to hammer out Scope outside of mediation shows the company is willing to come forward without a mediator in the room. Since ALPA is the one that filed for mediation, the company could just as well say “if this is how you want this to go (mediation) then that’s how we are going to play it” but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

Still have to remember that the last time the company made a compensation offer, was last mediation session, and that was back on Oct 31st (pre AK/VA arbitration award). So it’s been 2 months since the last mediation session, and since the last real “offer” has been made. They have to have something new and (hopefully) better prepared by now. It’s just a matter of whether or not they’ll put it on the table without the babysitter sitting in the room... So who knows what could transpire in the next week. Plus 2(?) unmediated sessions in Feb.

I hope they are still meeting this week, as I feel the union’s update summing up this weeks meetings will be a major turning point going forward. Whether that turn is for the better or worse is the million dollar question


Regardless, see everyone Jan31st.
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Old 01-22-2018 | 01:43 PM
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Ya but how did they do it? Didn't think they could stop someone from driving. But it also shows you that they tried it in our other bases and failed.
They must have some kind of freedom of information act system in place. Federal government agencies have to answer to FOIA requests. State government requests for information vary but generally they are similar to federal government FOIA requests. Governments more local than that also usually have similar processes. I for one would like to see the Union get a FOIA request completed that conclusively proveS that JetBlue stifled free speech. Any citizen of the United States can make such a request and generally they have to reply with in 10 days or so. If they filibuster and they do not provide information or they have other excuses, then we can assume there is foul play involved. Alternatively, jurisdictions usually have to hold a formal process to enact such a directive (stopping the trucks). This is mean that they get to pick and choose who can advertise on private vehicles? Does this mean that they are banning all advertising on private vehicles on airport property? Or does this mean that they are using government power to discriminate? Is this a conspiratorial collusion between a corporation and a government agency? Either way, this looks like a legal case that needs to be pursued even if remedied. There is nothing stopping from ALPA from suing the municipality and letting the court system figure out whether there was improper use of governmental power. I think it would look pretty bad for JetBlue if they are caught abusing improper relationships with government public servants. Lastly, if they were found to be colluding, and if I were ALPA, I would never settle for some kind of monetary payout combined with a nondisclosure clause.
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Old 01-22-2018 | 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by queue
They must have some kind of freedom of information act system in place. Federal government agencies have to answer to FOIA requests. State government requests for information vary but generally they are similar to federal government FOIA requests. Governments more local than that also usually have similar processes. I for one would like to see the Union get a FOIA request completed that conclusively proveS that JetBlue stifled free speech. Any citizen of the United States can make such a request and generally they have to reply with in 10 days or so. If they filibuster and they do not provide information or they have other excuses, then we can assume there is foul play involved. Alternatively, jurisdictions usually have to hold a formal process to enact such a directive (stopping the trucks). This is mean that they get to pick and choose who can advertise on private vehicles? Does this mean that they are banning all advertising on private vehicles on airport property? Or does this mean that they are using government power to discriminate? Is this a conspiratorial collusion between a corporation and a government agency? Either way, this looks like a legal case that needs to be pursued even if remedied. There is nothing stopping from ALPA from suing the municipality and letting the court system figure out whether there was improper use of governmental power. I think it would look pretty bad for JetBlue if they are caught abusing improper relationships with government public servants. Lastly, if they were found to be colluding, and if I were ALPA, I would never settle for some kind of monetary payout combined with a nondisclosure clause.
I'm guessing the ALPA lawyer knows this. If not time to get a new one
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Old 01-22-2018 | 02:01 PM
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Apparently you don’t know about IP addresses. There were individual pilots named in the lawsuit against SPA as well as ALPA collectively. They got those names from a subpoena/warrant to APC. So yeah if they want to they will find out who you are Bubba.


Here’s security 101.
  • Never use one of those free services like Gmail, Outlook, Yahoo! Mail, Hotmail, and so on.
  • Never use your real name on any social media like Facebook or LinkedIn. In fact, never use Facebook or LinkedIn! Contrary to popular belief, none of the systems are private because there simply isn’t a law that protects anything you put on them. Any privacy policy or expectation of privacy is simply smoke & mirrors from a standpoint of law.
  • never use your company iPad for anything other than company business because they have the legal authority to audit and monitor anything you do on there including logging on to your private email system.
  • Never use any chat programs that are not end-to-end encrypted. If you use normal text messaging such as SMS text messaging or Apple iChat, all of your messages are only one bad employee away from being disclosed or otherwise extremely easily accessible even without a warrant by government agencies. And stay far away from programs like WhatsApp, which is owned by Facebook. WhatsApp has known vulnerabilities found by many security researchers around the world which they refuse to plug because those vulnerabilities are exploited by totalitarian governments and corporations around the world. All of these programs claim encryption but that is only true to a certain point. For example, many chat programs encrypt up to the server but they are stored unencrypted on the server.
  • don’t never login anywhere to post comments using Facebook IDs or something similar to it. They all talk to each other and nothing legally protected. APC is similar because they have no legal obligation to protect who you are or identifying information such as IP address. Likewise they have no obligation to withhold anything from anyone. Their privacy policy means nothing. Unless you sign a legally binding contract such as a nondisclosure agreement, then you have no legal protection whatsoever.
  • don’t use any websites like that other JetBlue forum that just came out which requires you to identify specifically to your person using some kind of JetBlue credential. If you can’t register anonymously, boycott them!
  • don’t use voice recognition from Apple or Google services because they all store your voice permanently, despite what they say.

here is what you should do!
1. Dump Gmail and all those other services. If you want free secure email use ProtonMail. Look it up to see why.

2. Use Signal (the only true end-to-end encryption) and possibly Telegram to do all of your voice conversations and chat. Signal is the only program that is open source meaning you can look at the source code. It’s also the only one that hasn’t been compromised by anyone. Telegram might be safe but we don’t really know because the developers are Russian.

Also, Signal has disappearing messages that you can set to mere seconds all the way up to weeks. Once a message gets removed from your Signal installation, there are no artifacts left anywhere in between since it is true end to end encryption. Accept no substitutes.... all those other so-called disappearing message programs like Snapchat are not what they claim. Why do you think none of them will release their source code?

3. Use VPN. If you use a United States based VPN service you basically get no protection because they’re within United States jurisdiction. There was recently a case with in the last few months where someone was de-anonymized by their VPN provider.

You guys need to force ALPA people to take security a lot more seriously. What happened to Spirit was because they were stupid.

Fly SOP!

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Old 01-22-2018 | 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hilltopflyer
I'm guessing the ALPA lawyer knows this. If not time to get a new one
Don’t bet on it. There are all kinds of specializations in law. Even if they know about it, they might talk themselves out of even attempting it. ALPA has a great track record of getting people’s jobs back by exploiting technicalities in contract law but they’re not experts in everything else. They often succumb to false ideaologies such as “we have bigger fish to fry”.

Most importantly, you should take it upon yourselves to take individual action to help the cause. Don’t assume that you can outsource everything and that the outcome will be favorable to you. You don’t have to be a lawyer to do anything. If you have a high school education and you can read, then you can read the laws for yourself and you can write lots of letters.

Consider this, the people who were supposed to be official watchdogs for our servant government failed us during the Obama administration. It has taken public 501(c)(3) organizations and watchdog groups such as Judicial Watch to use FOIA requests (and lawsuits for not honoring FOIA) to identify corruption at the deepest levels of government. I sincerely think something fishy is going on with the government not allowing trucks to be run.
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Old 01-22-2018 | 02:47 PM
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Originally Posted by captsurf
Agreed Bubs. While I’m not hopeful of any major progress this week, I think the fact that they were able to hammer out Scope outside of mediation shows the company is willing to come forward without a mediator in the room. Since ALPA is the one that filed for mediation, the company could just as well say “if this is how you want this to go (mediation) then that’s how we are going to play it” but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

Still have to remember that the last time the company made a compensation offer, was last mediation session, and that was back on Oct 31st (pre AK/VA arbitration award). So it’s been 2 months since the last mediation session, and since the last real “offer” has been made. They have to have something new and (hopefully) better prepared by now. It’s just a matter of whether or not they’ll put it on the table without the babysitter sitting in the room... So who knows what could transpire in the next week. Plus 2(?) unmediated sessions in Feb.

I hope they are still meeting this week, as I feel the union’s update summing up this weeks meetings will be a major turning point going forward. Whether that turn is for the better or worse is the million dollar question


Regardless, see everyone Jan31st.

I think it’s important that nobody be misled into false choices. If JetBlue wanted to, they could end it all today by offering better pay, benefits, and work rules then Delta overnight. Whatever they end up offering, I hope nobody ever accepts that it’s the best we could ever get. When you’re begging for table scraps, you’ll be happy with anything. When you’re a prisoner of war, you learn to love your captor. JetBlue is betting on this. As we have already seen, Spirit’s union has largely caved in because they got something that is better than the table scraps they had.
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Old 01-22-2018 | 05:02 PM
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Originally Posted by queue
I think it’s important that nobody be misled into false choices. If JetBlue wanted to, they could end it all today by offering better pay, benefits, and work rules then Delta overnight. Whatever they end up offering, I hope nobody ever accepts that it’s the best we could ever get. When you’re begging for table scraps, you’ll be happy with anything. When you’re a prisoner of war, you learn to love your captor. JetBlue is betting on this. As we have already seen, Spirit’s union has largely caved in because they got something that is better than the table scraps they had.
I trust in our mec not to send out anything close to spirit. If so I'll vote no asap
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