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Old 03-31-2007 | 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by fosters
I figure jetblue can't be any worse of a place to be than a regional these days. At least they are working for themselves. That being said, if I was a regional CA (at least at my company) I probably would not leave for them. But I'm not .
As a regional pilot, you don't face the animosity you will when you don the blue shirt.
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Old 03-31-2007 | 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by B757200ER
100% true. I was there. Not flamebait, trust me. Ask the B6 guys.

Another true fact: A buddy of mine finished up B6 A320 training, and ran into a new-hire B6 F/A. She had been training with my buddy's new-hire class for 4 weeks of F/A initial. She actually said "You mean if I stayed 2 extra weeks, I could be a pilot"?
Wow: I wonder how many of the management types that come up with these ideas were interviewed by FAs for their job.

This is not a slam on FAs, I just don't see the connection. Do the FAs get interviewed by the baggage handlers and gate agents?

Where does it end?
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Old 03-31-2007 | 08:31 AM
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Guys, everbody is overlooking the real crime here. Why don't pilots get to interview FA's? Now that would be some shyte to see. I can garauntee the age/gender/sexual orientation demographic would be A LOT different.
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Old 03-31-2007 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Velocipede
As a regional pilot, you don't face the animosity you will when you don the blue shirt.
Animosity??? Only from jack a$$es like you......

I jumpseat regularly, all around the country and always get welcomed on board with a smile and a handshake. As a matter of fact most guys add that they love riding on us when they can.

Why don't you find a new hobby.
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Old 04-01-2007 | 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ryane946
How many other "regionals" require turbine PIC. JetBlue is just that. A regional. Nothing more.
Airtran,swa and alaska.
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Old 04-02-2007 | 05:55 AM
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Originally Posted by SNAFU
Is this true or more flamebait?

Not that FAs are much less qualified than the typical HR type to determine your suitability, but at least the HR folks are trained and that is their specialty. What of substance an FA would add to the mix I can't imagine. Might as well bring in some ground folks too.

Will the FAs be flying the jets there soon?

What we pilots forget about while we are climbing up onto our high horses with our noses five degrees above the horizon, is that all of the people in the company are part of the same team, and the other employees in and around the aircraft help to make up the crew. I think that it is important to see if you will work well with others while in the interview, to include the lowly flight attendent or ground personnel. What I can tell by comments like these, is that you would not play well with others, making for an ineffiecient team environment, and it may be that type of high and mighty, priviledged attitude that the B6 interviewers are trying to weed out. Just a thought.

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Old 04-02-2007 | 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by VTcharter
What we pilots forget about while we are climbing up onto our high horses with our noses five degrees above the horizon, is that all of the people in the company are part of the same team, and the other employees in and around the aircraft help to make up the crew. I think that it is important to see if you will work well with others while in the interview, to include the lowly flight attendent or ground personnel. What I can tell by comments like these, is that you would not play well with others, making for an ineffiecient team environment, and it may be that type of high and mighty, priviledged attitude that the B6 interviewers are trying to weed out. Just a thought.

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How exactly does this show you work well with others? It's one thing if the HR employee used to throw bags or was a FA at one time and moved on to this new position. Personally, I would be insulted if I worked my adult life for the opportunity to fly for a major, and then they parade a couple of front line employees in to "feel you out".
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Old 04-02-2007 | 03:41 PM
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This is exactly the attitude that I am talking about. You make yourself sound as if you are too good to be in the same room as a flight attendent. Attitudes like that are not welcomed on any team, and that may be the thing that they are trying to see. Just like asking how would you feel about a woman captain. They want to see your reaction, and the high and mighty thing probably won't go over well. It isn't as if the FA or "bag thrower" is actually making the hire decision, but talking down to them like they don't even deserve to be speaking to you, would most certainly make the decision easier for the people who are.
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Old 04-02-2007 | 05:36 PM
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Originally Posted by VTcharter
This is exactly the attitude that I am talking about. You make yourself sound as if you are too good to be in the same room as a flight attendent. Attitudes like that are not welcomed on any team, and that may be the thing that they are trying to see. Just like asking how would you feel about a woman captain. They want to see your reaction, and the high and mighty thing probably won't go over well. It isn't as if the FA or "bag thrower" is actually making the hire decision, but talking down to them like they don't even deserve to be speaking to you, would most certainly make the decision easier for the people who are.
I don't think it is a high and mighty thing. It is a professional courtesy thing. A Doctor is interviewed by administrators and other Doctors, not by the gift shop attendant. Maybe it is part of the personality thing so who knows. I would say that I highly doubt the CEO would want to be interviewed by an FA or a pilot for that matter.

Being PC is nice but it is also nice to admit we are highly trained professionals and should be treated as such. We have more school and a lot more responsibility than the FA does. That is why we have a ranking system and why we get paid more. I'm tired of feeling like I should apologize to those that chose another path so as not to hurt their feelings.

For the record, I work very well in a team and have a good time. Getting along and being a team player are not necessarily related to expecting some professional courtesy and respect.
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Old 04-03-2007 | 02:19 AM
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Originally Posted by VTcharter
This is exactly the attitude that I am talking about. You make yourself sound as if you are too good to be in the same room as a flight attendent. Attitudes like that are not welcomed on any team, and that may be the thing that they are trying to see. Just like asking how would you feel about a woman captain. They want to see your reaction, and the high and mighty thing probably won't go over well. It isn't as if the FA or "bag thrower" is actually making the hire decision, but talking down to them like they don't even deserve to be speaking to you, would most certainly make the decision easier for the people who are.
Not necessarily an issue of "too good to be in the same room as a flight attendent." One of committment and understanding of the profession. Example: I was flying as an F/O at COEX in 94 there were numerous examples of F/A's and rampers who were not really committed to the industry like A&P mechanics, Dispatchers and pilots. My favorite was the F/A who came up to the front during a Zero pax flight and commented "these are the best flights". CPT asked 'Why?' F/A stated "don't have to do any work" to which the CPT asked said F/A "where do you think our income comes from?' to which the response was " from COEX stupid" This person helped select and train F/A's. I would not want this F/A or anyone like this F/A having any input on a decision to hire me. I can appreciate someones frustration. It is a professional issue at times. HR and fellow pilots can determine these issues too, as you state, "It isn't as if the FA or "bag thrower" is actually making the hire decision". Then why are they involved??
Granted, loads of committed F/A's, but this was a big face to my perception of F/A's. Saw many, many examples. Mostly every A&P, Dispatcher and pilot had loads of committment due to the expense and time to reach employment. Most of these folks work extraordinarily well in a team setting.
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