Bluedriver

You sound pretty awesome, not gonna lie.

django

Folks is all in fun..
But all kidding aside art and science are one when seen a high level.

queue

Django, flying is serious business. Here's what happens when you are lackadaisical about flying.

Southwest Plane's Nose Gear Landed First, NTSB Says - ABC News

Pilots Didn’t Want to Fly With Capt. Who Crash-Landed SW Flight 345



Thankfully she got fired for gross procedural violations and no one died. It sounds like she wasn't well studied in all those reference materials I mentioned beforehand.

If you want to be artsy, amaze the passengers with your stand up cabin announcements.

We are professionals.

Andy

LOL! You guys can underplay the importance of a CEO when it comes to salary, but this thread prior to my comment was bashing your management. Again, all airlines' management sucks. It's because airlines do not pay comparable salaries with other industries. So airlines end up with management much like the SWA Captain who landed nosegear first.

You guys can argue how much more important pilots are to airlines than CEOs, but a couple of really bad CEOs in a row can put an airline into Chapter 7.

aldonite7667

Out of the two positions (pilot/CEO), if one doesn’t show up to work one day no money is made for the day. Which one is it? :-)

CEO’s are very important, we are all seeing just how important now. We have ineffective leadership.

django

Oh mine Q,
Are you not a little judgmental. Why can’t flying be both, an art and a science.
Managing a corporation is the same. You make a good lieutenant .

Andy

As to your question, that is incorrect. Money will be made if neither show up; more money will be made if the pilot DOESN'T show up because the CEO ensured that the airline is properly staffed with reserves to cover pilot absences.

Stop with the self-aggrandizement. Thinking that pilots are more important than CEOs is utterly laughable. All employees including CEOs are just widgets but CEOs are more valuable to an airline than pilots.

In light of other threads on this forum, this entire detour into how important pilots think they are is hysterical. When an EVP threatens to take away a pilot's travel privileges if they don't help clean the aircraft after nonreving, that should give you an idea of just how important pilots really are. Pilots are much smaller widgets than they like to think.

BeatNavy

While I see the point you are trying to make, it isn’t entirely true. If pilots were “small widgets” then why are they paid so highly across the industry, and in such high demand? Try to operate an airline without pilots. Or with a bunch of ****ed off disgruntled pilots. Historically that hasn’t worked out well.

Andy

Here's the rub. Management could fire every single pilot at JBLU tomorrow and be back up and running a full schedule in less than a month. Not quite as quickly as firing every ramper, CSR, or FA but the operation would be running smoothly a lot faster than if they fired every single mid and senior manager.

When pilots think that a CEO earning $3M a year is being highly paid, it reminds me of when FAs tell pilots that they're overpaid and underworked.

I have zero desire to be a management puke, but it is amazing how no one here grasps the fact that almost all airline executives suck because they're underpaid compared to other industries. When we get a mediocre executive, he's hailed as the best executive to walk the planet because we're used to crap management.

queue

Does a hospital run without doctors? I’m not saying pilots are more important because that can be argued endlessly in so many directions, but I will say that CEOs are nothing special vs. their high cost. There is no empirical proof that CEOs are worth the price you pay for them. You simply don’t know if a 21-year-old college dropout wouldn’t be a better choice. In fact, accomplished history proves otherwise. You can’t make the case that a CEO needs any education, skills, or experience because there have been many successful ones that have had neither starting out. A good CEO will overcome his limitations my personal drive and determination. On the other hand, you can’t make a pilot overnight. In order to produce a pilot that is acceptable to this level of operation, that’s at least 10 to 20 years of education and experience. You can argue all you want but these are facts.