Originally Posted by queue

Don't believe for a second that anything the pilot or FA union do will sink the company. That is a false choice and non-truthful narrative put out by people who want to maximize their profit margins at your expense (CEO, VPs, SVPs, investors, shareholders, special interests, union busters).

If an airline goes under, it won't ever be because of the cost of having humans. If the operating cost increases, fares go up by a penny or two. It's no different than dealing with fluctuating fuel prices. It's just the cost of doing business. The only difference between pilots/FAs and other overhead costs is that others are not very negotiable. For example, Airbus doesn't flex too much on their prices. Spare parts aren't really negotiable prices unless purchased in quantity. Pilots and FAs, on the other hand, have essentially told management that our compensation is always negotiable with no bottom. So, they will manufacture scenarios where they can make a logical case for paying employees less. For example, look at the Trump tax cuts. It's historic in quantity yet you only got $1,000. How much is BJ saving? Did they use that money to manipulate stock options?

Bottom line is that BJ could pay Delta rates+, give industry leading contractual work rules, and STILL be highly profitable. If they're not, the blame falls squarely on the management of the company. Remember that management has secret and public objectives. You don't know what secret objectives they have because they will not benefit you.


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

I always like when people say give me a CBA I don’t care about the vision or the planning or anything like that.

That is a good way to have a CBA but no airline.

Look is there anything we can do about that not really, but I would prefer our airline be around. Lack of vision or any plan is concerning.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

I wasn’t saying our CBA would sink the company. I was talking about the ELT sinking it and they most certainly could. That’s why I said there isn’t much we can do about it. All we can really do is build in as many protections in that CBA as possible.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

Ha dude you need to fight Wall St.
I remember there was an article when AA pilots got a raise one of the analysts was literally like WTF who cares about them how about your investors. They talk about RASM and CASM because that’s all Wall St
gives a crap about. Let’s be realistic in the world of capitalism reducing cost and maximizing profit is the goal. Taking care of your people tends to be the exception to the norm.

We get stuck in we are to small so Wall St is like you are to small to compete than we say we want to grow and the freak about capacity it’s a no win situation.

Originally Posted by queue

Yes, Wall Street is a BIG part of the problem but the problem is not Capitalism itself. It's the American flavor of robber barron capitalism, propped up by government intervention. Corporatism is the problem.

Capitalism is not inherently evil. Capitalism is merely the freedom to provide a service in exchange for compensation which in turn provides the ability to provide a wage to employees. It is nothing more than that.

So our job is to make Wall Street operate within moral and ethical guidelines by influencing market forces.

I love Capitalism (as opposed to Communism or Socialism) because anything is negotiable. We can get what we want from our employer through market forces. For example, if the government weren't involved, we could all stage a walk-out or sick-out until we get paid what our market value demands. Of course American Capitalism has been hijacked by "corporatism", where the big corporations write the laws and manipulate the government to help them (e.g. the pathetic excuse for a law known as the RLA). So another part of our duty is to either make government work for us (e.g. remove corporate benefits from the RLA) or to vote out law making public servants who are sell outs.


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

Originally Posted by N311JB

But they’re Job Creators. Jobs Jobs Jobs
In the words of my favorite comedian Bill Burr. This dragged out, painful process we’re in, is just so some “a**hole can have another 2 feet on their mega yacht.”

Originally Posted by N311JB

But they’re Job Creators. Jobs Jobs Jobs
In the words of my favorite comedian Bill Burr. This dragged out, painful process we’re in, is just so some “a**hole can have another 2 feet on their mega yacht.”

Originally Posted by django

Q your seemingly endless parade of childish chatacterizations while entertaining at times, is getting old. You seem to have just enough knowledge of sociopoliticics to get into trouble.

If you are going to treat Capitalism as a social construct in where freedom is a consequence or prerequisite then both empirical and historical evidence contradicts your position.

Furthermore American capitalism while different from European is not alone in glorifying oligarchs.