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Old 03-07-2018 | 06:42 AM
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No I’d say you’re wrong. Most of not every major airline has some sort of dependability policy. Our policy paints with a wide brush in order to catch the few problems. The guy who oops or gets sick 4-5 times a year is not the problem. The one who’s sitting rsv 1000nm away from base and calls in sick religiously when given a trip is the problem. I don’t apologize for the company. They way the DP was instituted was total junk. However as professionals we need to work within the rules we have now until we have a proper contract that states otherwise. We had the pvc it didn’t work. That’s in the past. Now we have ALPA. We are our union. Moving forward not back.
You’re constant gripes are things that we cannot change until the CBA is signed. When you say one will be crucified for missing a trip it’s disingenuous and makes you less reputable. It’s the same as saying there’s a mass exodus of pilots every years when it simply hasn’t happened. If you’re going to take the time to write as much as you do on here make it legit so that your point is taken. Do you see my point?

Defeated and beaten down is exactly the opposite of what i see. We are fighting the fight. Don’t make it harder than it has to be. We don’t need to fight each other while fighting for our contract.

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I also wanted to say...

Since you've been here for 10 yrs, isn't your relativistic mindset exactly at the core of the problem with the JB pilot group? They let anything go which is why JB screws them over all the time. Is the Blue Juice so deeply engrained in your psyche that you have become a company apologist even though you want a contract? You do see my point?

We all need to scrutinize EVERY single "will, shall, maybe, can", etc. The fact that you have come out in defense of the Dependability Policy points out how defeated and beaten down JB pilots really are. It's like it's in your blue blood to give them an inch so they take a mile.

Professionals wouldn't be tolerant to any degree of work rules like the "Dependability Policy", regardless of whatever utilitarian argument ( you) make for the company. I really think you need to step outside of everything you know and think deeply about how you personally have been complicit to the sad state JB is now. Multiply your mindset to several hundred pilots and we end up where we are now.... no contract, underpaid, overworked, abused. Please, give them a reason to respect us because so far what you said doesn't command respect as a professional.

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Old 03-07-2018 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by queue
Oh yes... one more thing.... the FOM and Blue Book are all smoke and mirrors. Read the front page. They can change it whenever they want. They are just guidelines they can arbitrarily choose to follow or disregard. They are legally worth nothing. They use it to give a semblance of the legal concept of “due process”. In reality you are basically “at will” and you can be fired for any reason. The PEA is not a contract and it always ends in company friendly arbitration kangaroo court. So for you company apologists, you are more screwed than you know... I hope you don’t say something charged to an FA (for example) because the company will crucify you in a he said-she said scenario.

Again, this is the consequence of no contract.

You live in a legal environment. Please know your situation. If you care about not exceeding 250 below 10,000, then there’s no reason you should be complacent about the dependability policy.

For those of you that say you had 2 commuting flights, realize the bigger problem is the policy even exists. The policy doesn’t care you had an OOP even with 2 backups. It is not a get out of jail free card. The DP always records data regardless of the circumstances. The commuter policy itself is all smoke and mirrors.


So do you work here? I noticed you skipped that question.
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Old 03-07-2018 | 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by pilotpayne
So do you work here? I noticed you skipped that question.
It's better not to provide that kind of information on this kind of forum.
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Old 03-07-2018 | 08:32 AM
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Old 03-07-2018 | 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by queue
It's better not to provide that kind of information on this kind of forum.
You had some good points but youve lost credibility. Let us fight our own battles please.

Thanks for coming out.
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Old 03-07-2018 | 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by queue
It's better not to provide that kind of information on this kind of forum.
So you don't work at JetBlue, and you're obviously not an attorney.

My money is on management plant, being that you started posting in earnest after the picket and have tried to give faulty legal advice over and over.
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Old 03-07-2018 | 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand
You had some good points but youve lost credibility. Let us fight our own battles please.

Thanks for coming out.
Think what you will. The less you know, the better.

Care to put your credit card info on this forum? What about a copy of your driver's license? I thought not.
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Old 03-07-2018 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by jtrain609
So you don't work at JetBlue, and you're obviously not an attorney.

My money is on management plant, being that you started posting in earnest after the picket and have tried to give faulty legal advice over and over.
I can tell you only this: I'm not a company implant, or a company contractor, or anyone paid or unpaid to do the bidding of the company against pilots.

Do you need to know anything more?

What advice is faulty? I've been protesting against the faulty ideas many of you seem to have here. You know... the company apologists that are ok with company policy because it hasn't personally affected them.
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Old 03-07-2018 | 09:51 AM
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Originally Posted by queue
I can tell you only this: I'm not a company implant, or a company contractor, or anyone paid or unpaid to do the bidding of the company against pilots.

Do you need to know anything more?

What advice is faulty? I've been protesting against the faulty ideas many of you seem to have here. You know... the company apologists that are ok with company policy because it hasn't personally affected them.
You can tell us whatever you want, but your behavior belies your solemn oath.

As for your advice; in what jurisdictions are you licensed to practice law?
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Old 03-07-2018 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by jtrain609
You can tell us whatever you want, but your behavior belies your solemn oath.

As for your advice; in what jurisdictions are you licensed to practice law?
What behavior? Calling out the poor attitude of the beaten down, defeatist JB pilot group? Giving you factual information of how screwed JB pilots really are from a regulation/law perspective? Telling you the truth about how far JB pilots have allowed their employer to abuse them? My biggest fear now is that the deeply rooted DNA level of blue juice in most JetBlue's pilots will allow them to say Yes to a substandard contract that makes compromises using excuses such as "it's our first contract", "look at what happened to AirTran", or "we'll never get something better".

As far as law practice goes, I won't confirm or deny any personal details. Remember you work for a corporation that has a track record of being vindictive to people.

As far as the "legal advice", I present information to you. Look it up for yourself. I usually provide links so you can self educate. You can learn from what I say or you can continue the failed course of action JB pilots have had so far. Hopefully you will break out of The Matrix one day and see how sheepish your peers have been for so long.
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