CaptCoolHand

Having been here 10yrs and having just about every scheduling issue imaginable happen. I’m gonna day you’re wrong. I get it. I appreciate where you’re coming from. But that’s not how it works. Those that have been punished under the DP fully deserve what they get and probably more. Most of the time those abusing the DP are not hurting the company, they’re F’ing over their fellow pilots.

queue

You missed the core point, again.

"You had a backup". It doesn't matter. They don't care. You miss a trip, you miss a trip, they don't care why.

And yes, no one will come looking for you unless you are already on their radar. But, you are supposed to go contact the CP (read FOM or Bluebook).

You are picking and choosing. You are not reading the "policy". You are missing the point of what I said.

Again, all that matters is what is written, not your personal experiences.

queue

It doesn't matter that you've been here for 10 years. What matters is what is written and what is legally enforceable. You are making an argument of convenience for the company. However, those people who did get in trouble did so under the strict letter of the guidance.

I promise you that regardless of how long you've been at JB, if you become too expensive for them (e.g. you screw up), they'll throw every subjective rule at you to screw you. In what universe is a subjective criteria allowable from an employer? It doesn't matter if those people deserved it or not.

Doesn't it bother you that you are operating under a policy that has such a large latitude of interpretation?

queue

I also wanted to say...

Since you've been here for 10 yrs, isn't your relativistic mindset exactly at the core of the problem with the JB pilot group? They let anything go which is why JB screws them over all the time. Is the Blue Juice so deeply engrained in your psyche that you have become a company apologist even though you want a contract? You do see my point?

We all need to scrutinize EVERY single "will, shall, maybe, can", etc. The fact that you have come out in defense of the Dependability Policy points out how defeated and beaten down JB pilots really are. It's like it's in your blue blood to give them an inch so they take a mile.

Professionals wouldn't be tolerant to any degree of work rules like the "Dependability Policy", regardless of whatever utilitarian argument ( you) make for the company. I really think you need to step outside of everything you know and think deeply about how you personally have been complicit to the sad state JB is now. Multiply your mindset to several hundred pilots and we end up where we are now.... no contract, underpaid, overworked, abused. Please, give them a reason to respect us because so far what you said doesn't command respect as a professional.

pilotpayne

1. You do work here right?
2. Maybe you should have been a lawyer.
3 I missed nothing.
You said you would be crucified. Now using that logic and your post I never contacted the CP only CS so I guess I totally broke the rules at least 3 times, now where is that cross?

pilotpayne

You are like Barney 2.0
He didn’t defend the policy nor do pilots like the policy.
I assume you actually work here but I’m not sure. If you do you should know for a FACT that the “accidental” release of the DP definitely pushed guys to vote yes.

You are the one that made the claim that they will crucify you if you miss a commute so prove it, otherwise it’s all BS.

Coolhand and I have both missed trips yet nothing but I guess our experience does not count. If anything a good lawyer could find out how many people they didn’t enforce the rules on and ask why is my client different. It’s all recorded in flica. Why did payne not get in trouble but que did.....that would be a fun one.

Final Clear

...been here longer than that and from personal experience I can state that this is completely and utterly false. This policy has NOT been uniformly enforced from base to base, NOR uniformly enforced within a base, and has been used in the past by CP's as a way to make you tow the line...as in you raise an issue and they go back and look at your dependability. Can't state this enough times...these are not nice people, most have ZERO integrity and they make this job the antithesis of fun.

Hey jetblue...FUPM,

FC

queue

Bingo... it’s not uniformly enforced.

THAT is the problem. That’s why all these others are company apologists whose argument depends on themselves and their friends not having had a negative experience. It’s out of sight, out of mind. Now we begin to unravel the genetic flaw of the average JB pilot psyche. The wording is extremely draconian. If they want to eat you alive, they can. If they don’t care about you, they look the other way. It’s sort of like the eyes of justice not being blindfolded (e.g. for Hillary Clinton). As far as the average JB pilot is concerned, that attitude is intellectual corruption. E.g. hasn’t affected me, so I don’t care. Deplorable!

But the real problem is that JB pilots don’t burn the house down with complaints to management about such an anti-employee policy. Did you guys catch the internal website response to United taking away their profit sharing?? Why don’t JB pilots react the same way? Instead, when they passed the policy telling you to clean the airplane (jump), and JB pilots asked “how high!!??” Seriously, you guys don’t even THINK it’s a bad thing... much less DO something about it like complain internally to your management. No wonder JB pilots are the most disrespected professionals in the industry.

The blue juice is deep in in the veins of most JB pilots and probably even at the genetic level at this point.

Nothing will get better until you repent from this subconscious Stockholm syndrome you poor souls suffer from (speaking to the apologists).

queue

Don’t bet the farm on a good lawyer. You agreed to all the terms of employment (FOM, blue book, clean the airplane training). The lawyer’s hands are tied. That is the consequence of not having a contract. You have work rules that are completely unfair to you. The company is beyond evil. I can’t give you detailed examples here but I’m sure you can talk to people at work.

queue

Oh yes... one more thing.... the FOM and Blue Book are all smoke and mirrors. Read the front page. They can change it whenever they want. They are just guidelines they can arbitrarily choose to follow or disregard. They are legally worth nothing. They use it to give a semblance of the legal concept of “due process”. In reality you are basically “at will” and you can be fired for any reason. The PEA is not a contract and it always ends in company friendly arbitration kangaroo court. So for you company apologists, you are more screwed than you know... I hope you don’t say something charged to an FA (for example) because the company will crucify you in a he said-she said scenario.

Again, this is the consequence of no contract.

You live in a legal environment. Please know your situation. If you care about not exceeding 250 below 10,000, then there’s no reason you should be complacent about the dependability policy.

For those of you that say you had 2 commuting flights, realize the bigger problem is the policy even exists. The policy doesn’t care you had an OOP even with 2 backups. It is not a get out of jail free card. The DP always records data regardless of the circumstances. The commuter policy itself is all smoke and mirrors.