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queue 05-02-2018 09:57 PM


Originally Posted by Beechnut (Post 2585083)
Yeah. There was a group meeting where captains were pulled in to the office because their write ups had increased x percentage.

An Orlando Captain was just called in for his slow taxi.

Off the cuff rumors work against the pilot group and I stay away from them. That being said.... these things are really happening.

I'll tell my story when I can sit down at a key board.

In UNITY.


Increase x percentage? Wow... talk about false statistics. You really can make stats lie. Next, they will be calling you in because your on-time-performance decreased by 10%.

Sounds like they need FAA attention. I call it coercion. If you know any of the Captains, please tell them to write a statement of fact on the FAA Hotline website. Let the FAA deal with BJ. Sounds like Allegiant style antics.


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PasserOGas 05-03-2018 04:18 AM


Originally Posted by Beechnut (Post 2585083)
Yeah. There was a group meeting where captains were pulled in to the office because their write ups had increased x percentage.

An Orlando Captain was just called in for his slow taxi.

Off the cuff rumors work against the pilot group and I stay away from them. That being said.... these things are really happening.

I'll tell my story when I can sit down at a key board.

In UNITY.

Wow. Could the increase in write ups be correlated to the gutting of tech ops? Just sayin'.

WhistlePig 05-03-2018 05:47 AM

If you ever think safe operation of the aircraft at the behest of (insert workgroup here) is in question, file an ASAP. Every time.

joepilot 05-03-2018 06:11 AM

Guys, please be really careful here. UAL union got a really big fine a few years ago based mostly on what was posted online by some of our more rabid people. There are lots of management people reading what is posted here. This could really hurt efforts to get a good contract.

Joe

pilotpayne 05-03-2018 06:48 AM


Originally Posted by Beechnut (Post 2585102)
Doesn't matter Payne. You know that.

Oh I hope you didn’t think I was questioning you.
Just making an observation about what a stupid thing to call a guy in for. But that seems to be SOP right now. There are legitimate things to question captains about and I was asked about something that was a safety issue when the ground guys dorked up. Quick professional email from CP over and done. This other stuff is such a waste of their time, that takes them away from real issues.

I really hope we get past this because this damage will be hard to repair.

queue 05-03-2018 06:59 AM


Originally Posted by joepilot (Post 2585362)
Guys, please be really careful here. UAL union got a really big fine a few years ago based mostly on what was posted online by some of our more rabid people. There are lots of management people reading what is posted here. This could really hurt efforts to get a good contract.

Joe

Can you please provide examples of specific activities (e.g. what they said) resulting in a fine? Lots of people have opinions but rarely a true understanding of the process and its findings that resulted in the fine. Need data.

So far nothing here has been written with the singular purpose of devaluing the company's profit or otherwise in a malicious capacity. Only the legal responsibilities of a pilot are discussed. There shouldn't be retribution for exposing a degrading safety culture, although it appears to be rampant in this industry due to decades of pilot tolerance for it.

The best thing to do is to let the FAA sort things out. If there's a concern regarding safety, no matter how small, it should always be reported. The FAA will take over and thus the pilot is not liable for spreading rumors or anything like that. This could have helped other airlines that have gotten recent attention in the media. I wonder how many pilots at 2 recently highlighted airlines walked past safety issues or safety culture issues without using the FAA hotline....

https://hotline.faa.gov/


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

queue 05-03-2018 07:10 AM


Originally Posted by WhistlePig (Post 2585341)
If you ever think safe operation of the aircraft at the behest of (insert workgroup here) is in question, file an ASAP. Every time.

ASAP or Safety Action Report? (forgot what it's called)

Is the SAR sanctioned in law like ASAP is?


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

jtrain609 05-03-2018 07:34 AM


Originally Posted by queue (Post 2585398)
Can you please provide examples of specific activities (e.g. what they said) resulting in a fine? Lots of people have opinions but rarely a true understanding of the process and its findings that resulted in the fine. Need data.

So far nothing here has been written with the singular purpose of devaluing the company's profit or otherwise in a malicious capacity. Only the legal responsibilities of a pilot are discussed. There shouldn't be retribution for exposing a degrading safety culture, although it appears to be rampant in this industry due to decades of pilot tolerance for it.

The best thing to do is to let the FAA sort things out. If there's a concern regarding safety, no matter how small, it should always be reported. The FAA will take over and thus the pilot is not liable for spreading rumors or anything like that. This could have helped other airlines that have gotten recent attention in the media. I wonder how many pilots at 2 recently highlighted airlines walked past safety issues or safety culture issues without using the FAA hotline....

https://hotline.faa.gov/


This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

If you were an ALPA member, which you're not, since you're a management plant and not an airline pilot, you'd know exactly what the criteria is when you log in to an ALPA web forum.

PasserOGas 05-03-2018 08:27 AM


Originally Posted by jtrain609 (Post 2585424)
If you were an ALPA member, which you're not, since you're a management plant and not an airline pilot, you'd know exactly what the criteria is when you log in to an ALPA web forum.

I still don't get why you would think Q is a management plant. He has been very vocal about ALPA being asleep at the wheel and asking for MORE agressive action from our MEC. Why would a management plant argue for those things? Hyperboy is an open management plant. He may be a dues paying member, but his sympathies lie squarely with Hayes and Co.

jtrain609 05-03-2018 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2585477)
I still don't get why you would think Q is a management plant. He has been very vocal about ALPA being asleep at the wheel and asking for MORE agressive action from our MEC. Why would a management plant argue for those things? Hyperboy is an open management plant. He may be a dues paying member, but his sympathies lie squarely with Hayes and Co.

Because he's asking pilots to take matters into their own hands, not follow MEC guidance.

The MEC has been clear about what every pilot needs to be doing.


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