And with 3 pilot deaths in the last couple weeks, just remember health and family come first

You are wrong. Consider this. Does ALPA file ASAP reports for you or is that the legal function of the certificated airman? If you violate a FAR and you get in trouble, is ALPA's non-existent certificate on the line, or is yours? Remember you work in a profession that has multiple layers of jurisdiction, some legal, some simply company policy (which mean nothing).

ALPA has it's role, as does each individual certificated airman. It's a matter of jurisdiction. MEC guidance is to follow SOP. Using ASAP or the FAA Hotline (the better option) is not just SOP, it's within the law.

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That is what bothers me about people being called in for logbook writeups. They were simply following SOP.

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If you were getting the union e-mails you'd know the MEC says that pilots aren't being disciplined for MX write ups. Anyone who comes on here and says, "Yeah, but it happened to me!" or, "Yeah, but it happened to my buddy" might well be part of the Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt campaign that's being run by the company and their legal counsel.

And that's my fundamental problem with you and a few of the other posters who have shown up since the first picket; you materialize out of nowhere, spread disinformation, and contradict the only source union pilots have for their information; the MEC.

And to really make my point, let me quote an MEC communication directly on that issue: "Our focus is clear. There have been no miscommunications; our statements are specific, true, and readily verifiable. Your MEC is the only credible source of information." (Bolded for emphasis)

I don't disagree with you about only trusting what the MEC puts out. So yes, the notion that people being called in are hearsay until each person proves it for themselves. That process of discovery is fine with me, and encouraged.

My concern is that IF people are called in for these events, and IF the motive is maintenance related, THEN I am concerned of the *threat* of intimidation. Safety culture is a function of public opinion affecting each person through intangible psychology.

So, do you have an issue with pilots knowing their legal options (e.g. ASAP, FAA Hotline)?



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We're God damned airline pilots, of course we know about ASAP. That's like walking into an attorney's office and counseling them on the elements of negligence. But more important than ASAP, pilots are owed union representation during disciplinary hearings. If you were a union pilot, you'd know that.

Funny how this board censors profanity except for the only unforgivable sin, using the Lord's name in vain. Did something strike one of your pressure points?

How do you know that I'm not a union pilot. I pay a lot of $$$. So Mr. Airline Pilot, when would you use the FAA hotline vs. ASAP? I would love for someone as knowledgeable and qualified as you to educate me on this.



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Atlas did not win a case when this was alleged in a court case for 2017. What they got was an injunction for the Union to stop using a campaign slogan of SHOP and BOOT (Stop Helping Out Purchase - ie Headquarters) and (Block Out On Time). The behavior, especially fatigue, not picking up open time trips, and sick calls was defended by the court.

So, if ALPA says it, it's okay.

If you say it on message boards, you get problems.




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Hahaha. Seriously?

What are your thoughts on the shroud of Turin?