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We should have kept the informational picket. You don't withdraw your forces just because someone comes to the table with a semi-acceptable proposition. Like I said, the Vietnam strategy of the current MEC is a failed model. We could have a new MEC/NC tomorrow if we wanted to. None of this is rocket science. They've been hiding behind artificial timelines and self-imposed procedures for far too long. I bet you anyone could read all the NC training materials in a day.

I see the low-rent defeatists are already saying Yes to this garbage. I can wait for the final language but key elements are already missing. If we had these key elements, they would be bragging about it. I just hope people start building lists of what is missing so we can all be knowledgeable of it so that when the MEC does their road shows, we can throw the dirty laundry in their face.



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What does this bait matter if there's no profit sharing? Look at Delta's profit sharing. Again, more false choices from BJ and ALPA.


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Blue Dude

It would be tax free if you paid taxes on the company paid premiums also, just like our LTD is today. There's no reason STD couldn't be the same.

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You're wrong... by expressing sentiments here, others get one more data point. Humans use group-think to make decisions when they are not in full possession of the facts. Ever heard of "advertising"? People who are saying No already are giving you good reasons that must not be ignored.

And, I know why they voted yes... because they are either apologists, defeated, begging for table scraps, have never done anything else in life, or already have a semi-good deal that most don't have. Sadly too many people are comparing things to their regional days. How many people are comparing what they are proposing here to their days of flying with UA, AA, DL? If you look at the facts on the table, the deal is already substandard compared to AA, UA, DL, WN, etc.

The MEC/NC will be engaged but it won't do any good unless everyone does it. People need to vote NO. No compromises.

I would love to be proven wrong but history always repeats itself. I'm agreeing with you that the MEC/NC should be recalled if this vote fails. They've had years of second chances, just like BJ. We've paid a fortune in dues to get sub-standard results. This is a business deal for me and I won't accept compromises.


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seekingblue

I'm glad we agree on the NC/MEC.

Of course people use group think to make decisions. I've stated how I'm planning to vote and you are welcome to agree or disagree with me. Many (most) folks here disagree with me, and thats fine. It's likely going to pass 70/30, regardless of "data points" on APC.

If you want to ask why I'm voting yes, than thats fine. I'm happy to answer.

FYI the "No Jetblue express" is a huge clause that no one is talking about. That said, final language is crucial. We are making less than DL, AA etc. I can't disagree with fact. We are making better money than Southwest, with all of our flying done in house. That counts for something. Also, we are ahead of Alaska (as we should be).

Lets all breath in deeply. Have a beer. relax. If you are ****ed and need to talk, call your MEC reps. If not, wait for final language and we can all move forward.

seekingblue

Pay/Scope is on par with southwest (slightly better on pay)

https://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/...hwest_airlines

N311JB

There needs to other stuff in here. No 321 over ride. What’s the company to going to entire fleet of 321s? I need to see an auto bump of 2% after the TA expires. Sorry but this is the contract we should have had already. The company has had this in their back pocket for 3 years now.

seekingblue

I like these ideas. I understand there isn't a 321 override, but maybe the auto bump will be in there, but wasn't important enough to bullet.

Final language matters!

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Relaxing is what BJ pilots do best, which is why we have years of substandard pay and professional conditions. What we need to do is push even harder. The bullet points alone leave a lot to be desired.

Rather than ask you why "yes" (because it's always easy to be a pitchman), tell me why not vote No and fight for something better? Why give up so easily?

This contract is already obsolete from bullet points alone, and in 1 yr when DL/UA negotiate again, we'll be really obsolete and back to the back of the line for many, many years to come. Then again BJ will use timeline to their tactical advantage. We will be at the back of the line forever because they know they can save tons of $$$ for themselves by filibustering negotiations for years, thusly depriving us. So tell me, why not hold out, say "NO", and work for something better?



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ALT SEL ooops

Hah clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Southwest work rules blow
Our AIP out the water. How about their 6.5 hour min day pay? Productive trips and profit sharing? We get our garbage 5 hour average duty day