JetBlue finally has come to the table
05-17-2018, 07:59 AM
#271
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: fifi whisperer
Posts: 1,255
Originally Posted by queue
Relaxing is what BJ pilots do best, which is why we have years of substandard pay and professional conditions. What we need to do is push even harder. The bullet points alone leave a lot to be desired.
Rather than ask you why "yes" (because it's always easy to be a pitchman), tell me why not vote No and fight for something better? Why give up so easily?
This contract is already obsolete from bullet points alone, and in 1 yr when DL/UA negotiate again, we'll be really obsolete and back to the back of the line for many, many years to come. Then again BJ will use timeline to their tactical advantage. We will be at the back of the line forever because they know they can save tons of $$$ for themselves by filibustering negotiations for years, thusly depriving us. So tell me, why not hold out, say "NO", and work for something better?
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Rather than ask you why "yes" (because it's always easy to be a pitchman), tell me why not vote No and fight for something better? Why give up so easily?
This contract is already obsolete from bullet points alone, and in 1 yr when DL/UA negotiate again, we'll be really obsolete and back to the back of the line for many, many years to come. Then again BJ will use timeline to their tactical advantage. We will be at the back of the line forever because they know they can save tons of $$$ for themselves by filibustering negotiations for years, thusly depriving us. So tell me, why not hold out, say "NO", and work for something better?
This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.
I personally wish Avg. 5hr daily credit was 5 hrs daily credit. Also, the signing bonus could be better.
Is this perfect? no way. Is it good enough for a yes vote for me (pending final language) yes.
05-17-2018, 08:07 AM
#272
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Joined APC: Feb 2013
Position: CA
Posts: 1,211
Originally Posted by ALT SEL ooops
Hah clearly you have no idea what you are talking about. Southwest work rules blow
Our AIP out the water. How about their 6.5 hour min day pay? Productive trips and profit sharing? We get our garbage 5 hour average duty day
Our AIP out the water. How about their 6.5 hour min day pay? Productive trips and profit sharing? We get our garbage 5 hour average duty day
Per the ALPA guide. Average Daily Guarantee
Delta - 5:15
United - 5:00
American- None (5:10 per duty period).
Alaska - None (5 per duty period)
Spirit - None (4:30 per duty period)
Southwest 5:39
Hawaiian- 4:10
JB AIP - 5:00
05-17-2018, 08:07 AM
#273
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 8
Originally Posted by seekingblue
Define something better. I'm happy to answer your question directly, but I need to know what you want to be better. Scope- as it is bulleted- cannot be better. Pay is SWA plus a few bucks. What would make you satisfied? Please specify actual hourly pay rates, if included.
I personally wish Avg. 5hr daily credit was 5 hrs daily credit. Also, the signing bonus could be better.
Is this perfect? no way. Is it good enough for a yes vote for me (pending final language) yes.
I personally wish Avg. 5hr daily credit was 5 hrs daily credit. Also, the signing bonus could be better.
Is this perfect? no way. Is it good enough for a yes vote for me (pending final language) yes.
05-17-2018, 08:11 AM
#274
Banned
Joined APC: Feb 2009
Posts: 1,445
Originally Posted by AKbushguy
I'm with you on these points.....Is it perfect? No but its definitely better than no contract for possibly another year if we have to re-vote NC and MEC
Why would we settle for this? It will NEVER be a better environment for us again.
Jetblue discount pilots. Get used to that label.
05-17-2018, 08:15 AM
#275
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Joined APC: Sep 2014
Position: fifi whisperer
Posts: 1,255
Originally Posted by PasserOGas
We have the ELT by the balls right now. We have a labor friendly mediator, we have a company that obviously wants to change its fleet, but cant with our PEA, hiring applications shrinking, and wall street on our side as much as it can be.
Why would we settle for this? It will NEVER be a better environment for us again.
Jetblue discount pilots. Get used to that label.
Why would we settle for this? It will NEVER be a better environment for us again.
Jetblue discount pilots. Get used to that label.
I've been used to the label the last 6 years. What I haven't been used to is being yelled for supporting something the MEC whole heartedly endorsed.
Again. Stop yelling at the computer. Start yelling at the MEC.
05-17-2018, 08:16 AM
#276
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Originally Posted by AKbushguy
I'm with you on these points.....Is it perfect? No but its definitely better than no contract for possibly another year if we have to re-vote NC and MEC
(I think it would be closer to 6-8 months after being voted down to get another AIP vs a year.)
05-17-2018, 08:38 AM
#277
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Posts: 252
Originally Posted by AKbushguy
I'm with you on these points.....Is it perfect? No but its definitely better than no contract for possibly another year if we have to re-vote NC and MEC
05-17-2018, 09:26 AM
#279
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(posted this on the other Thread, but wanted to post it here as well)
P2P call tonight to discuss the AIP
To those unhappy with the AIP-- please reach out to either the MEC or P2P reps so they can discuss on the call.
Something this important isn't worth being ****ed on a message board and not calling in to let the MEC know.
P2P call tonight to discuss the AIP
To those unhappy with the AIP-- please reach out to either the MEC or P2P reps so they can discuss on the call.
Something this important isn't worth being ****ed on a message board and not calling in to let the MEC know.
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