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Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3516232)

Oh its figurative. I see. So like the government was used to look after the interests of big business? Like crushing labor unions and stuff? Hmmm who does that sound like?

And yes socialist appears in the name of the Nazi party. That must be why the Nazi brown shirts first came to prominence battling leftists in the streets of Munich. Because they had soooo much in common with the Marxists. Lol. And wouldn't a merger of corporate power and the government be kind the OPPOSITE of socialism?

The Nazis put socialist in their name to make them seem more palatable for elections.They were socialist in the same way the Democratic Peoples Republic of Korea is democratic.

The only place I ever hear that Fascists aren't a right wing ideology is from far right wing sources. Its pretty common knowlege, but it does kinda make Trumpists look bad.

This is 100% correct. In the beginning, the Nazi's needed popular support, and the Socialists were needed to win. Nazi's proved to not be socialist at all later on though, when they imprisoned the communists, etc.

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Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3516232)

Fascism refers to a way of organizing society with an emphasis of autocratic government, dictatorial leadership, and the suppression of opposition.

'Fascism': The Word’s Meaning and History | Merriam-Webster

Sure sounds like the progressive left to me. Everything I hear from the right is about freedom, states rights over federalism, your right to think as you wish, and to not tell others how to think, or to try to cancel them when they say something you don't like....

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Originally Posted by Cujo665 (Post 3516305)

A yes freedom. Like marry who you like? Have any kind of consensual sex you like? Bodily autonomy? Freedom to organize? Honoring the results of elections? Rule of law, and not placing any one man above it? Freedom to consume whatever you like as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else? Freedom from a large and oppressive police force? Right to privacy? Freedom from having one religion dictate government policy and being able to have your kids attend public school without being indoctrinated into that religion?

These are all things the GOP stands against. Maybe you don't, but the party does.

Conservatives love to claim that they have a monopoly on freedom, but they definitely do not. While the dems lean towards large government social programs, conservatives brand of large government concerns me a lot more.

I'm gonna leave it with this. Left leaning folk have the spectrum of authoritarian communism to learn from. They need to always look at their policies with the example of how very wrong it can go if they get no push back and refuse to deal with the other side. Right wingers similarly have theocratic and fascist regemes to learn from. There is and continues to be such a thing as right wing extremism. You need to look at your policies closely and learn from history. Step one is opening a history book.

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Originally Posted by Wingedbeast (Post 3516160)

You do that when someone is kunt-fused.

seriously dude, painting with a broad brush there.

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Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3516323)

It sounds like you don’t understand the difference between freedom and liberty. But I understand your analogy of the lefties and righties. The system was created to keep us in the middle. lobbyists need to go and we need to get the money out of politics.

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Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3516323)

wow feel better now?

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Originally Posted by MainlineFlyer (Post 3516220)

Your definition of fascism is incorrect. I often hear it from right wingers because they don't like to hear how close they are ideologically to historic fascists.

BMW, Mercedes,Lufthansa, Mitsubishi, and Fiat were all private companies inside fascist countries. No merger took place. What does constitute fascism looks a lot like one party and it ain't the dems.

Here is a checklist. See if you notice any similarities to what Fox News broadcasts.

The cult of tradition. “One has only to look at the syllabus of every fascist movement to find the major traditionalist thinkers. The Nazi gnosis was nourished by traditionalist, syncretistic, occult elements.”
The rejection of modernism. “The Enlightenment, the Age of Reason, is seen as the beginning of modern depravity. In this sense Ur-Fascism can be defined as irrationalism.”
The cult of action for action’s sake. “Action being beautiful in itself, it must be taken before, or without, any previous reflection. Thinking is a form of emasculation.”
Disagreement is treason. “The critical spirit makes distinctions, and to distinguish is a sign of modernism. In modern culture the scientific community praises disagreement as a way to improve knowledge.”
Fear of difference. “The first appeal of a fascist or prematurely fascist movement is an appeal against the intruders. Thus Ur-Fascism is racist by definition.”
Appeal to social frustration. “One of the most typical features of the historical fascism was the appeal to a frustrated middle class, a class suffering from an economic crisis or feelings of political humiliation, and frightened by the pressure of lower social groups.”
The obsession with a plot. “Thus at the root of the Ur-Fascist psychology there is the obsession with a plot, possibly an international one. The followers must feel besieged.”
The enemy is both strong and weak. “By a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak.”
Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy. “For Ur-Fascism there is no struggle for life but, rather, life is lived for struggle.”
Contempt for the weak. “Elitism is a typical aspect of any reactionary ideology.”
Everybody is educated to become a hero. “In Ur-Fascist ideology, heroism is the norm. This cult of heroism is strictly linked with the cult of death.”
Machismo and weaponry. “Machismo implies both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality.”
Selective populism. “There is in our future a TV or Internet populism, in which the emotional response of a selected group of citizens can be presented and accepted as the Voice of the People.”
Ur-Fascism speaks Newspeak. “All the Nazi or Fascist schoolbooks made use of an impoverished vocabulary, and an elementary syntax, in order to limit the instruments for complex and critical reasoning.”

It would be good form to at least credit Umberto Eco when you use his “practical list”

I want to redact my characterization of my old moderator as being “too reactionary on the left”. It was an unkind thing to say and based off a single conversation I had had with him during a difficult time. He put a lot of effort into helping me run the board and was excited about its possibility of further uniting the pilot group in a mature and level headed way.

The truth is that it’s hard to moderate and then not be labeled as being “against” one side or the other. I simply felt that too many voices in the moderation game would send a mixed message of what was ok and not ok. It’s tough enough on some people for just me doing it.

Again I apologize to my old moderator for my poor generalization of him on a public space. He is a good person with good intentions.

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Originally Posted by IrvW (Post 3516506)

If it helps, I can attest to this as well :rolleyes:

The only thing we don’t like is when you guys over moderate. Let people have heated discussions and opinions. Don’t throw the flag until it’s necessary.