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queue 07-06-2018 07:37 PM


Originally Posted by Southerner (Post 2629302)
A no vote doesn't affect implementation. It just doesn't. All you'll do is hand the company a giant pile of money and an expanded timeline with no deadlines to get the changes complete (if they start now).

So in your scenario, we get another TA in 18 months, and the company (which has been working all along on the implementation) agrees to a year implementation timeline. A win! Yay, we showed them! They shortened it by 6 months!

Meanwhile in reality the implementation actually got extended by 12 months for a total of 30 months from today.

Pure speculation and fear mongering.

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PasserOGas 07-07-2018 12:31 AM


Originally Posted by Southerner (Post 2629302)
A no vote doesn't affect implementation. It just doesn't. All you'll do is hand the company a giant pile of money and an expanded timeline with no deadlines to get the changes complete (if they start now).

So in your scenario, we get another TA in 18 months, and the company (which has been working all along on the implementation) agrees to a year implementation timeline. A win! Yay, we showed them! They shortened it by 6 months!

Meanwhile in reality the implementation actually got extended by 12 months for a total of 30 months from today.

I think you over estimate how much money this TA actually cost the company. By the same logic we should vote yes to literally ANY TA presented to us, no matter how bad.

CaptCoolHand 07-07-2018 08:12 AM


Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2629389)
I think you over estimate how much money this TA actually cost the company. By the same logic we should vote yes to literally ANY TA presented to us, no matter how bad.

Southerner is right... wish he wore a lanyard...

This TA is going to cost bodies and bodies are $$ add to that the scheduling efficiencies will give you more time off and in turn if you wanna ***** out like you'd have to today you can continue to make more money. Money/Days

Vacation requirments
14hr max days
1700/0100 cut off
Pairing efficiency
RIGS
RSV rules
Bid divisor smoothing and live values.
Scope may "cost nothing" but it's a helova insurance policy when right now if we bought a frontier or whoever we could just send them all our new planes?

The staffing drivers will bump up your seniority. This will force hiring and push us well over 4000pilots in the next 18months.

We know this is going to cost. saying it doesn't is disingenuous. $750million

Southerner 07-07-2018 08:24 AM


Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2629389)
I think you over estimate how much money this TA actually cost the company. By the same logic we should vote yes to literally ANY TA presented to us, no matter how bad.

No. By my logic the implementation timeline shouldn't be the determining factor.

pilotpayne 07-07-2018 08:52 AM


Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand (Post 2629531)
Southerner is right... wish he wore a lanyard...

This TA is going to cost bodies and bodies are $$ add to that the scheduling efficiencies will give you more time off and in turn if you wanna ***** out like you'd have to today you can continue to make more money. Money/Days

Vacation requirments
14hr max days
1700/0100 cut off
Pairing efficiency
RIGS
RSV rules
Bid divisor smoothing and live values.
Scope may "cost nothing" but it's a helova insurance policy when right now if we bought a frontier or whoever we could just send them all our new planes?

The staffing drivers will bump up your seniority. This will force hiring and push us well over 4000pilots in the next 18months.

We know this is going to cost. saying it doesn't is disingenuous. $750million



Yup. It seems like nobody is paying attention to this stuff.
Spot on.

Bozo the pilot 07-07-2018 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by PasserOGas (Post 2629389)
I think you over estimate how much money this TA actually cost the company. By the same logic we should vote yes to literally ANY TA presented to us, no matter how bad.

No- Southerner described it accurately Pog. You're anger is clouding the issue for you.
Its not Yes on any TA, just this particular one, which provides the protections we need and a vast improvement in QOL.
I realize its not enough for you, so just vote no.
Tty on the 27th man.

queue 07-07-2018 09:55 AM


Originally Posted by Bozo the pilot (Post 2629558)
No- Southerner described it accurately Pog. You're anger is clouding the issue for you.
Its not Yes on any TA, just this particular one, which provides the protections we need and a vast improvement in QOL.
I realize its not enough for you, so just vote no.
Tty on the 27th man.


Bozo, aren't you the angry hypocrite that can't openly debate people? Why are you so adamant about knowing who is saying what? Will that allow you and your non-lanyard wearing buddies to target the rebels? If you cared about debating the issues at hand, it shouldn't matter whose face is behind it.



What happens exactly when you can't force people to agree with you?
  • You attack and ridicule them personally, yet without the benefit of knowing them personally, or at all. Why do you continually accuse people of anger and other emotional states you cannot accurately perceive. You just use it as a polarizing debating tactic.
  • Your disciples outright threaten to disallow jumpseat privileges. (oh, and I have archived it should it happen...)
  • You block people whom you can't control and are too dangerous to your regional jet/defeatist mentality.
You really should try to be more rational and logical. Remember your blind faith and misplaced allegiance got us to a point where it took 3 ALPA drives to get them here. Now you are sabotaging their efforts with low RJ standards.


https://i.imgur.com/BLaTY5c.jpg

And yes, I know you're not reading this.



This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

seekingblue 07-07-2018 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by queue (Post 2629595)
Bozo, aren't you the angry hypocrite that can't openly debate people? Why are you so adamant about knowing who is saying what? Will that allow you and your non-lanyard wearing buddies to target the rebels? If you cared about debating the issues at hand, it shouldn't matter whose face is behind it.



What happens exactly when you can't force people to agree with you?
  • You attack and ridicule them personally, yet without the benefit of knowing them personally, or at all. Why do you continually accuse people of anger and other emotional states you cannot accurately perceive. You just use it as a polarizing debating tactic.
  • Your disciples outright threaten to disallow jumpseat privileges. (oh, and I have archived it should it happen...)
  • You block people whom you can't control and are too dangerous to your regional jet/defeatist mentality.
You really should try to be more rational and logical. Remember your blind faith and misplaced allegiance got us to a point where it took 3 ALPA drives to get them here. Now you are sabotaging their efforts with low RJ standards.


https://i.imgur.com/BLaTY5c.jpg

And yes, I know you're not reading this.



This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.


Queue-

Do you get paid per hour or per post to be on here?

If you have a family, go spend more time with them. Seriously. I’ve been off this site for 6 days and you have hundreds of posts. I’m ready to not be on here for another few days.

Maybe Jetblue, APC, and Star Trek references are your thing. If you have a family, cherish them. Spend time with them. But if you are doing this pro-bono and not a 3rd year law student, just take a freaking breath and go be with the people you love.

DRMic 07-08-2018 04:31 AM

I had chicken n waffles for breakfast after voting YES!

seekingblue 07-08-2018 04:57 AM


Originally Posted by DRMic (Post 2630020)
I had chicken n waffles for breakfast after voting YES!

Yum. I prefer the Nashville hot style chicken and waffles. Add some extra syrup/ honey and it’s dynamite.


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