I tend to agree with part of this.
You contradict your own logic though. Why is B6 going to come to the table?
They make bank off the fact that, as a pilot group, we help the operation at every turn. We will still use oue phones to call MX, push early and call Ops on the #2 radio. Wheres the leverage Bunk.
So while I agree with the fact that we, as a pilot group, fail each day to fly SOP, I dont see how a No vote changes the leverage on TA #2.
This T/A actually protects us from some bad things.
Thoughts..

 

We give away our leverage on new aircraft by agreeing to binding arbitration. How did binding arbitration work out for Alaska?

I guess I shouldnt talk since our rates are only $1/hr more than their forced rates.

 

Refer to my post above Pog.

 

Just wait till it’s 2021 and we go into negotiations again and JB DRAGS this out for 3 years and we are flying the C series or 195 for regional wages. All you YES voters are going to pat yourselves on the back and stroke each other off and say what a good job you’ve done! High five on contract 2018! What a pathetic joke

 

Great 14th post. Welcome aboard.
Anything constructive or informative?

 

It’s a pleasure to join the conversation Bozo... your user name essentially says it all. I have never threatened you nor attacked so I see how how fight. I’ve been trained to deal with individuals of your kind so bring it on... BTW, I know your RAH background and you weren’t very well respected there either. So let’s just let it rest. So I am a NO VOTE and you must attack me for the faults I see in the agreement... so be it. I am a rational individual that doesn’t have over 800 irrelevant posts on airline pilot central

 

Yes you're 15 posts are relevant 11B. Keep em comin. And Im glad my 6 months at RAH left an impression. Where else was I?
Welcome to the industry

 

Even debating it at this point is pointless. You guys are voting this in 70-30 or better. A blind guy can see that. There is very little industry leading in this deal. Night pay is the only thing I can see.

 

Is there industry standard? That you can see?
Serious question.

 

Bozo....the bottom line is there will always be pilots who will operate outside of what is beneficial to the group's objectives. Fly SOP, nothing more nothing less was the mantra ever since we entered our official labor dispute. Will there be guys who don't? Absolutely. But I think everyone who was on the line felt a palpable difference in the operations the last several months leading up to the AIP. I think the momentum really started with our picket in January and was building every day. More and more guys were doing their job and only their job. Ask the guys who flew in and out of Boston what the ground control supervisor felt about us.


The company felt it. Was it everyone? No. But it was enough to make an impact. We had the greatest amount of leverage we ever had during the 4 years since ALPA came on property. We were about to have another picket event at our HQs during a vote to increase senior officer compensation. Jamie Baker downgraded our stock due primarily to labor unrest. We were headed into summer and the busiest flying period of the year where even the company admitted the majority of our profits for the entire year comes from. Our pilot group was the most galvanized it had ever been, and getting more so every day. For the first time during this entire process, I felt we actually had the upper hand, or at a minimum, significant leverage. And we let it slip through our fingers.


To get back to your question. What do I think would happen if we voted no? I think we get our leverage right back. As much as we had before? Possibly, but for different reasons. The company believes we're going to vote Yes on this TA. I firmly believe this. They need the labor portion of their cost structure to be solidified because they have some major decisions to make which require it. The main one being the culmination of the fleet review. In order to borrow money to solidify a major order like an new fleet type requires major cost equations to be known. With the possibility of that equation not being known would have thrown a wrench in JB's timeline. Also, we'd still have at least a month of the summer flying that should we go back to SOP flying would cripple the operation. It doesn't take everyone to toe the line, just enough to hurt JB's operations. We were there before the AIP, and we'd get back there again quickly.


Is voting no a risk? Of course it is. But I think we have enough leverage that should we vote no, the company would be pressured from several different sides to come to a deal on a better contract than what we have on the table now sooner than what many people believe.